The Liverpool City Region Combined Authority, Merseyrail and the RMT Union have today agreed in principle that, subject to the provision and approval of an appropriate, affordable and sustainable funding package, the new fleet of Merseyrail trains, will have a second member of staff on board the train.



In order to pay for a second member of staff on each train additional funding will now need to be generated. Productivity proposals have come forward from the ACAS process that will cover some of the required funding, however additional means will also need to be considered by all parties, which could include an enhanced crackdown on fare evasion and increased fares. The design of the new trains proposes that the door control and dispatch of the trains will transfer to the driver. No one currently employed as a guard will lose their employment as a result of the introduction of the new fleet in 2021.

All parties will now undertake the detailed work required to develop a full proposed agreement, which will take some months and will require compromise on all sides. An element of this will be agreeing the role and safety responsibilities of this second member of staff as part of the process. The current business case will need to be revisited. Whilst this takes place and until dialogue has been completed there will be no further industrial action.

Steve Rotheram, Metro Mayor, Liverpool City Region Combined Authority, said:

“I am pleased that we are agreeing in principle that there will be a second member of staff on board the train when the new, state-of-the-art Merseyrail fleet is fully in place in 2021.

“I have always believed that the only way this dispute would be resolved was by all sides sitting down and talking. That’s why I pushed for Merseyrail and the RMT to enter ACAS talks last year and I’m pleased that this approach has got us to where we are today.

“Today’s announcement is huge progress but I also want to be clear that it requires a significant financial commitment and hard choices on all sides. This has to be kept in mind alongside the reality of the substantial reductions in funding that Merseytravel will receive from government over the next ten years.

“I believe this agreement gives us the best chance to successfully deliver and operate the new fleet of trains and therefore is in the best interests of the people of the Liverpool City Region. We will now complete the detailed work to explore and hopefully identify the affordable funding package needed to gain a final agreement.”

Andy Heath, Merseyrail Managing Director said:

“Merseyrail and its shareholders have given our support to this agreement as we have always been clear that any dispute between us and the RMT will only be resolved through talks.

“Today’s announcement is an acknowledgement of that fact.

“The commitment from the RMT to continue the suspension of industrial action during this review period will undoubtedly help maintain the continuity of the current phase of ACAS conciliation which will allow us to plan our operational delivery around the major programme of Merseyrail platform modifications and the major events between now and the end of the year. During this phase of conciliation we will continue our engagement with both the Combined Authority and the RMT as we explore the feasibility and affordability of a solution to keeping a second person on the new trains.”

Mick Cash, General Secretary of the RMT, said.

"Today's agreement in principle is an important and‎ significant development in respect of RMT's long running campaign to retain a guaranteed second, safety-critical member of staff on Merseyrail trains.

"I want to pay tribute to RMT members for their resilience and‎ solidarity throughout this campaign.

"We now await a fully-formed and detailed set of proposals that the we can take back to our Executive and our members."

There is a second member of staff on board already so why do they require additional funding, they have already increased fares a couple of years ago to buy the new trains?

Originally Posted by Alikado

There is a second member of staff on board already so why do they require additional funding, they have already increased fares a couple of years ago to buy the new trains?

How do you expect massive investment in new rolling stock and platform changes to be accomplished without cutting back in other areas. Merseyrail fares are among the cheapest in the country. Now that the management has capitulated to the dinosaurs on the guard issue there are bound to be additional fare hikes to cover all those guards who were not budgeted for in the new system. Everything costs - including unnecessary guards that people have been whining to have. There is no magic money tree.


I'd prefer cheap fares and no guards. There already aren't guards on many of the trains (which is why we have the station staff helping with disabled access at places like Birkdale).

Really disappointed that Merseyrail has caved in to the demands of the RMT and its Communist henchman Cash. Having got his way, I guess he will now find a whole new set of demands to hold Merseyrail and the general public to ransom over.

Originally Posted by dav

How do you expect massive investment in new rolling stock and platform changes to be accomplished without cutting back in other areas. Merseyrail fares are among the cheapest in the country. Now that the management has capitulated to the dinosaurs on the guard issue there are bound to be additional fare hikes to cover all those guards who were not budgeted for in the new system. Everything costs - including unnecessary guards that people have been whining to have. There is no magic money tree.


I'd prefer cheap fares and no guards. There already aren't guards on many of the trains (which is why we have the station staff helping with disabled access at places like Birkdale).

Check your facts before commenting, there are Guards on all Merseyrail trains in fact the doors could open without them.

Originally Posted by onehorsetown2

Check your facts before commenting, there are Guards on all Merseyrail trains in fact the doors could open without them.

Don't take any notice they're just trotting out the normal Tory ******** they're full of it
that's why they vote for the imbeciles.

"Joint statement" , brilliantly worded.
Management don't appear to have caved in, door
controls being transferred to driver????
I just hope they haven't promised a stupid pay
rise in return.

Originally Posted by onehorsetown2

Check your facts before commenting, there are Guards on all Merseyrail trains in fact the doors could open without them.

If so, why the need to regularly close the booking office, temporarily, - even when people are queuing to buy tickets - so that the ticket office employee can do all the ramp work and see off the train without any assistance from the "phantom" guard? Is the mystery guard having a fag or enjoying a duvet day?

Originally Posted by dav

If so, why the need to regularly close the booking office, temporarily, - even when people are queuing to buy tickets - so that the ticket office employee can do all the ramp work and see off the train without any assistance from the "phantom" guard? Is the mystery guard having a fag or enjoying a duvet day?

The ticket office employee will get the ramp ready before the train arrives and then once the train has left, they put it away. If not, the train would have to stop for longer, which throws the running times of the trains out.
The ‘phantom’ guard as you put it could be the opposite end of the train, which is possibly why you wouldn’t see them.

27 K a year basic for what amounts to little more than sitting on yer arse for most of the day.
No wonder these 'jobs' are 'dead man's shoes' - no wonder they fought tooth and nail to keep this cushy number going.
Ask yourself - who in their right mind would give up that 'job' to go and work in the real world.

Gazaprop. You are saying guards are on 27 k.
Don't tell public what the driver earns, please.
Times they are a changing and WILL.

Originally Posted by ausard2

Gazaprop. You are saying guards are on 27 k.
Don't tell public what the driver earns, please.
Times they are a changing and WILL.

Something north of 45K - and we wonder why it costs the equivelant of a small African republic's national debt to take a family to Cheste Zoo on the train!!!