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  1. Published on: 28/10/2017 06:55 AMReported by: roving-eye
    ‘Devastation’ across rural economy if migrant workers are shut out of UK.



    Reducing access to migrant labour for farming, horticulture and tourism jobs will have devastating consequences for the rural economy, according to the CLA.

    The organisation, which represents around 30,000 landowners, farmers and rural businesses, made the comment in a submission to the Migration Advisory Committee consultation looking at the UK’s immigration system after Britain leaves the European Union.

    CLA Senior Economist Dr Charles Trotman said: “Workers from the EU and beyond play a crucial role in the rural economy. In agriculture alone more than 30,000 permanent workers and an estimated 80,000 seasonal workers help keep our shops and market stalls stocked with UK produce.

    “But the sector is already struggling to meet labour needs. A survey of CLA members showed that restricting access to migrant workers would negatively impact the profitability, efficiency and viability of more than three quarters of rural businesses.”

    The CLA says farmers will fail to produce enough food to feed the nation without access to migrant workers post-Brexit and called on the Government to introduce a Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme immediately rather than after leaving the EU to ensure continued access to a skilled and secure workforce.

    Dr Trotman said: “Farms and other rural businesses need to know that after Brexit there will still be a flexible, skilled and secure workforce so they can plan for the future and invest in their businesses.

    “Without the certainty of access to this vital labour force, we will see reduced productivity and growth and an increase in food imports and prices.”

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  3. said says:28/10/2017 11:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by roving-eye View Post
    ‘Devastation’ across rural economy if migrant workers are shut out of UK.



    Reducing access to migrant labour for farming, horticulture and tourism jobs will have devastating consequences for the rural economy, according to the CLA.

    The organisation, which represents around 30,000 landowners, farmers and rural businesses, made the comment in a submission to the Migration Advisory Committee consultation looking at the UK’s immigration system after Britain leaves the European Union.

    CLA Senior Economist Dr Charles Trotman said: “Workers from the EU and beyond play a crucial role in the rural economy. In agriculture alone more than 30,000 permanent workers and an estimated 80,000 seasonal workers help keep our shops and market stalls stocked with UK produce.

    “But the sector is already struggling to meet labour needs. A survey of CLA members showed that restricting access to migrant workers would negatively impact the profitability, efficiency and viability of more than three quarters of rural businesses.”

    The CLA says farmers will fail to produce enough food to feed the nation without access to migrant workers post-Brexit and called on the Government to introduce a Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme immediately rather than after leaving the EU to ensure continued access to a skilled and secure workforce.

    Dr Trotman said: “Farms and other rural businesses need to know that after Brexit there will still be a flexible, skilled and secure workforce so they can plan for the future and invest in their businesses.

    “Without the certainty of access to this vital labour force, we will see reduced productivity and growth and an increase in food imports and prices.”
    Huge farming conglomerates have been established that have proved to be very uneconomical to run and would not have been established without massive grants from the EU. There is an enormous amount of waste within these industries. Small local farming communities have been put out of business, or are finding it very difficult to compete against these international giants. Our own UK farmers managed to provide sufficient produce for the UK long before these leeches moved in, and the prices were kept at a reasonable level - unlike at present where the cost of produce has risen in an effort to cover the cost of huge waste. In addition to this, produce is now fast grown to enable the conglomerates to maximise on export profits but at a loss to the flavour of the produce - fresh produce is now so bland and tasteless to what it used to be.
    Far from screaming about the loss of labour on these farms, which serve to profit overseas companies - they should be dissolved and allow our own farmers to provide decent quality produce with the expertise and efficiency that now seems to be lacking in these conglomerates. The UK should take the lead in providing quality foods above that which is now produced in the EU. Our own farmers can produce sufficient stock and employ British labour - the work on the farms used to be enjoyable and students managed to earn enough to help them through their studies. Foreign agencies have been employed to bring in foreign labour to provide profits for foreign farmers. Time to revert back to British quality. What is the point of producing exactly the same inferior goods that can be obtained from most of the EU members - we need to better that!
    Nearly all our local farmers supported Brexit for that very reason. So no, no more immigrant slave labour, we don't need it!

  4. Ric says:28/10/2017 04:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Huge farming conglomerates have been established that have proved to be very uneconomical to run and would not have been established without massive grants from the EU. There is an enormous amount of waste within these industries. Small local farming communities have been put out of business, or are finding it very difficult to compete against these international giants. Our own UK farmers managed to provide sufficient produce for the UK long before these leeches moved in, and the prices were kept at a reasonable level - unlike at present where the cost of produce has risen in an effort to cover the cost of huge waste. In addition to this, produce is now fast grown to enable the conglomerates to maximise on export profits but at a loss to the flavour of the produce - fresh produce is now so bland and tasteless to what it used to be.
    Far from screaming about the loss of labour on these farms, which serve to profit overseas companies - they should be dissolved and allow our own farmers to provide decent quality produce with the expertise and efficiency that now seems to be lacking in these conglomerates. The UK should take the lead in providing quality foods above that which is now produced in the EU. Our own farmers can produce sufficient stock and employ British labour - the work on the farms used to be enjoyable and students managed to earn enough to help them through their studies. Foreign agencies have been employed to bring in foreign labour to provide profits for foreign farmers. Time to revert back to British quality. What is the point of producing exactly the same inferior goods that can be obtained from most of the EU members - we need to better that!
    Nearly all our local farmers supported Brexit for that very reason. So no, no more immigrant slave labour, we don't need it!
    Agree with all of the above. British farmers and workers were working the fields long before any workers came from the rest of Europe.

  5. Sproggy the Cat says:29/10/2017 11:33 AM
    Always managed years ago, how do you think we all, (teenagers), used to get our pocket money. Spud picking, pea picking and all the other farm work.

    Of course that is too hard for many cosseted youths these days.
    We went out to earn our cash, tough, but was taught the value of money then.

    Before anyone says it, not all teenagers are lazy, but society doesn't help itself now.

  6. nosobored says:29/10/2017 04:45 PM
    Fully agree kick all the parasites out asap and get rid of the EU,,
    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Huge farming conglomerates have been established that have proved to be very uneconomical to run and would not have been established without massive grants from the EU. There is an enormous amount of waste within these industries. Small local farming communities have been put out of business, or are finding it very difficult to compete against these international giants. Our own UK farmers managed to provide sufficient produce for the UK long before these leeches moved in, and the prices were kept at a reasonable level - unlike at present where the cost of produce has risen in an effort to cover the cost of huge waste. In addition to this, produce is now fast grown to enable the conglomerates to maximise on export profits but at a loss to the flavour of the produce - fresh produce is now so bland and tasteless to what it used to be.
    Far from screaming about the loss of labour on these farms, which serve to profit overseas companies - they should be dissolved and allow our own farmers to provide decent quality produce with the expertise and efficiency that now seems to be lacking in these conglomerates. The UK should take the lead in providing quality foods above that which is now produced in the EU. Our own farmers can produce sufficient stock and employ British labour - the work on the farms used to be enjoyable and students managed to earn enough to help them through their studies. Foreign agencies have been employed to bring in foreign labour to provide profits for foreign farmers. Time to revert back to British quality. What is the point of producing exactly the same inferior goods that can be obtained from most of the EU members - we need to better that!
    Nearly all our local farmers supported Brexit for that very reason. So no, no more immigrant slave labour, we don't need it!

  7. paulollie says:29/10/2017 05:01 PM
    Okay so we stop or try to stop 200K immigrants coming in so pray tell:-

    How does this or any government force yes force 200K of our own to plug the gap?

    It's not just agriculture, London would probably grind to a halt, and although many "Up north" think London as a parasite to coin a phrase its responsible for one third of GDP.

    We have had immigrants way way before we begged yes begged to go into the EU 1961, 67 and finally 73. From Irish, African, West Indies, Pakistan remember what the Raj did eh to India and create an flow of Pakistani people here in the 50's. All those bus drivers in London????? African.

    In or out of Europe there will be not one drop in immigration not one.

    Oh I forgot the health service how many work in that eh?????

    Get real folks, since ****** Roman times we have had immigration do you think you are going to stop it now???

    Dream on.

  8. paulollie says:29/10/2017 05:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Sproggy the Cat View Post
    Always managed years ago, how do you think we all, (teenagers), used to get our pocket money. Spud picking, pea picking and all the other farm work.

    Of course that is too hard for many cosseted youths these days.
    We went out to earn our cash, tough, but was taught the value of money then.

    Before anyone says it, not all teenagers are lazy, but society doesn't help itself now.

    You have said it yourself "Cossetted Youth" so...... how do we get them in the fields then for minimum wage? And if not min wage are we all going to pay extra if we up the hourly rate? I would I suppose, no real choice in that would I? But I can hear all the clucking in shopping isles from disgruntled housewives/ husbands..... "God that's dear, never used to be"

    No because now without people prepared to work for small amounts, and there will always be that so don't go on about "slave labour" we have no choice.

  9. paulollie says:29/10/2017 06:07 PM
    Taken from Fullfact.org:-

    1.2 million people from the UK live in the rest of the EU

    Figures for 2015 suggest that 1.2 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries. We’ve previously looked at all the estimates in detail.


    Now then what happens if the countries they live in adopt the same rhetoric garbage as some of the muppets on here????

  10. Ric says:29/10/2017 09:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paulollie View Post
    Taken from Fullfact.org:-

    1.2 million people from the UK live in the rest of the EU

    Figures for 2015 suggest that 1.2 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries. We’ve previously looked at all the estimates in detail.


    Now then what happens if the countries they live in adopt the same rhetoric garbage as some of the muppets on here????
    So how many people born outside of the UK in other EU countries now live in the UK ?

    Found it....

    Around 3.6 million people living in the UK in 2016 were citizens of another EU country. That's about 6% of the UK population. A similar proportion were born in the rest of the EU. ..

    So 1.2 million went from this tiny island to the huge EU and yet 3.6 million came here !! Not very equal me thinks.

  11. paulollie says:30/10/2017 07:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Ric View Post
    So how many people born outside of the UK in other EU countries now live in the UK ?

    Found it....

    Around 3.6 million people living in the UK in 2016 were citizens of another EU country. That's about 6% of the UK population. A similar proportion were born in the rest of the EU. ..

    So 1.2 million went from this tiny island to the huge EU and yet 3.6 million came here !! Not very equal me thinks.

    Trouble is no such thing as equality,

  12. tubbs2 says:01/11/2017 11:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paulollie View Post
    Trouble is no such thing as equality,
    So these farmers claim they "can't get any British workers - er how many people are on the dole? If I remember rightly you had to take ANY job or your benefits would stop. Also these student snowflakes who constantly whinge about the cost of their degree, don't see of them doing any work, but have plenty of money to be in Wetherspoons every night!

  13. RoJimbo says:05/07/2019 01:04 AM
    Rural population all over the globe is decreasing and the population of cities is growing like never before. In a decade or so cities like Shanghai won't terrify us with the number of their citizens https://populationstat.com/china/shanghai


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