Middle east crisis.

[Hamble]

"forked tongue" — Is that your idea of 'Parliamentary' language? Hamble, you sometimes descend into innuendo and slurs; it is disreputable of you. If you think you have discovered inconsistencies in my posts, then let us see them.

1.Taqiyah-you know full well.

2. I have over the years pointed out your inconsistencies.

3. You regularly do not reply to my pointing out your inconsistencies.

4. Fail


https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic.../forked-tongue

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[Hamble]

Is that the go-to trope now?

any criticism of Israel is seen as Islamist?

Am I now an "Islamist" ?

I couldn't think of a "religion" or at the least an associated movement that causes more problems in the world and attracts the most offensive distortions of any religion.

I despise so many of their actions and treatment of people, especially women.



Surely we all see problems with the actions of both sides even if some don't want to admit it?

?
No you are not an Islamist.
Disliking Israel and her politics is not the same as being anti Zionism
and promoting the destruction of Israel and her peoples.


Islamists promote political Islam.

[sandGroundZero]

The Guardian Turns ‘Zionism’ Into a Dirty Word in One-Sided Hit Piece How do you turn 2,000 years of Jewish longing for a return to Zion into an insult and a slur? By mainstreaming extreme voices, distorting history, and placing the entire onus for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict… … While this piece aims to analyze the use of the term “Zionist” as a slur by those on the far left of the political spectrum in general, and those taking part in the anti-Israel encampments at universities in particular, it is not a balanced and nuanced take on the subject, simply uncritically echoing the distortions and manipulations of those opposed to the movement for Jewish sovereignty in the Jewish peoples’ historical homeland. …The Missing Context on Zionism and Zionist History If The Guardian had included the opinions of Zionist academics or commentators, it is likely the piece would’ve taken a different tone. For one, readers might have been informed of the many distortions and manipulations expressed by both the writer and those interviewed. First, this piece presents Zionism as a late-19th-century European ideology, ignoring the fact that one of the core precepts of Zionism (the return of the Jewish people to their historical homeland) has been a key element of Judaism for thousands of years. By ignoring this historic continuation between Judaism and Zionism, this piece gives undue weight to the minority camp of anti-Zionist Jews who want to “reclaim Judaism from its association with Israel.” It also means the sheer absurdity of Saree Makdisi’s observation that he has no issue with a Jewish state in principle, just the issue of “where [the Jewish people] have this state.” This completely disregards the fact that the only just location for a Jewish state is in the land they have inhabited for thousands of years, which is the current location of the State of Israel. In addition, the claim that Zionism “underpins the policies that drove their [the Palestinians’] mass displacement from what became Israel in 1948” and that the term “Zionist” is “emblematic of the violent state policies driving the war on Gaza” are ludicrous assertions that are unworthy of a serious piece of journalism. Both claims are based on a superficial understanding of Israeli history which apportions all blame for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to Israel and Zionism, ignoring the fact that Palestinian dispossession in 1948 was the result of both the Arab refusal to accept the UN Partition Plan and the choice to engage in war against the budding Jewish state, while the current war in Gaza is the direct result of Hamas’s atrocities on October 7. Whether it’s references to failed peace negotiations or the disappearance of the Jewish movement for a binational state before the creation of Israel, The Guardian seems intent on absolving the Palestinians of any responsibility for the violence that has wracked the region. For a piece filled with one-sided bias and distorted facts, why did The Guardian present it as an objective news report instead of an opinion piece? Chaim Lax | May 13, 2024 © HonestReporting

[sandGroundZero]

Protest How ‘Zionist’ became a slur on the US left For many Jews, Zionism signifies a connection to Israel. But a large number of student protesters see the violence in Gaza as a logical conclusion of the late 19th century ideology … For decades, Joe Biden has proudly declared that he is a Zionist, and he has repeated that claim since Hamas’s 7 October attacks on Israel. But for the student anti-war protests gripping the US, the words “Zionist” and “Zionism” have become a watchword – pejorative and emblematic of the violent state policies driving the war on Gaza. On social media and in the streets, critics no longer call out supporters of the state of Israel as “pro-Israel”: they call them Zionist. Some university encampments have posted signs saying: “Zionists not allowed.” … But for Palestinians, the notion that there’s a version of Zionism under which they can live in dignity is contradicted by history, because Zionism underpins the policies that drove their mass displacement from what became Israel in 1948 and has continued to displace them since. “When people think of Zionism now, they look at Gaza,” Saree Makdisi, a professor of English and comparative literature at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), said. “This is what it means: that you want to have an ethnically exclusive state,” he said. “It’s ugly.” Arguably for the first time, a Palestinian perspective on Zionism is taking center stage in mainstream discourse. “A lot more young people, including young Jews, are listening to their Palestinian friends and classmates who are saying: ‘This is what Zionism means to us,’” said Simone Zimmerman, the media director of Diaspora Alliance, an international organization focused on combating antisemitism and its weaponization. This explains how terms like “ethnostate”, “Jewish supremacy” and “settler-colonialism” have become central to the protests. … Jonathan Guyer | Sun 12 May 2024 © 2024 Guardian News & Media Limited

[Styx]

Hamas terrorists use UN vehicles, UNRWA compound as cover in Rafah - watch.

Foreign Minister Israel Katz commented on the footage on X, formerly Twitter, saying, "Hamas terrorists firing at civilians from within a UNRWA facility next to UN vehicles in Rafah. No lie from Antonio Guterres and Philippe Lazzarini will hide the truth: UNRWA is an arm of the terrorist organization Hamas."

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-801171

[local]

Hamas terrorists use UN vehicles, UNRWA compound as cover in Rafah - watch.

Foreign Minister Israel Katz commented on the footage on X, formerly Twitter, saying, "Hamas terrorists firing at civilians from within a UNRWA facility next to UN vehicles in Rafah. No lie from Antonio Guterres and Philippe Lazzarini will hide the truth: UNRWA is an arm of the terrorist organization Hamas."

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-801171

Does this give you some comfort?


The Hamas scum won't be marching across a battlefield anytime soon.

[shippy]

[QUOTE=local;6904227]Does this give you some comfort?


The Hamas scum won't be marching across a battlefield anytime now.

I sincerely hope not.

[Hamble]

Does this give you some comfort?


The Hamas scum won't be marching across a battlefield anytime soon.

What an awful thing to say.Hamas have never relied on Palestine only to kill Jews.

Is sGZ your wife/husband/partner by the way?

[Hamble]

Does this give you some comfort?


The Hamas scum won't be marching across a battlefield anytime soon.

Hijacks
Killing atheletes at the Olympics.

Now they are operating in Turkey.


Hamas planned terror cell in Turkey to kidnap Israelis
Terror group’s plans reportedly found by Israeli army in Gaza home of senior official

Our Foreign Staff
14 May 2024 • 3:59pm
Related Topics
Israel-Hamas War, Gaza, Israel Defence Forces (IDF), Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, Hamas

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Hamas planned to set up a base in Turkey from which to carry out sabotage and assassinations, according to documents reportedly found by the Israeli army in Gaza.

The papers, shown to The Times, were discovered in the home of Hamza Abu Shanab, chief of staff to Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader in Gaza, the Israeli military said.

The files detail an effort by Hamas to set up teams outside its territory in the wake of Israeli moves to tighten control over the Gaza Strip.

The plans included establishing “a security branch abroad which will be capable of carrying out intelligence and military operations in the future”.

The files, which The Telegraph cannot independently confirm, also allegedly described a three-year plan to set up military cells and safe houses abroad to work on “sabotage and assassination.”

Assassination targets supposedly included agents in Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, as well as “influential Israelis”.


It is unclear whether Turkish authorities were informed of the plans or would have allowed them to proceed.

Turkey has a nuanced stance on Hamas. Unlike many other members of Nato, it does not consider Hamas a terrorist organisation and the country hosts members of the group.

Ankara maintains that Hamas has not carried out terrorist activities in the country.

Instead, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the president of Turkey, has repeatedly declared Hamas a “liberation movement” fighting for its people and homeland.

He and other Turkish officials have continually criticised Israel, as well as its allies in the West, as the death toll in Gaza has surpassed 35,000, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

Mr Erdogan said on Sunday that Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, “has reached a level that would make Hitler jealous with his genocidal methods”.

He also said that more than 1,000 members of Hamas were being treated in hospitals across Turkey as the fighting in Gaza entered its eighth month.

In April, Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas leader who is based in Qatar, flew to Istanbul to meet Mr Erdogan. The visit was Mr Haniyeh’s first to Turkey since the Israel-Hamas war broke out last October.



Just a few days ago, Ibrahim Kalin, the Turkish intelligence chief, met Mr Haniyeh in the emirate.

Turkey recently announced it would cut trade ties with Israel, but it appears some imports and exports have continued.

Last autumn, Turkey and Israel recalled their respective ambassadors in a diplomatic row over the war in Gaza.

In Turkey, it’s politically strategic for Mr Erdogan to oppose Israel and support Palestine, with polls showing a large majority share those views in a country that is otherwise deeply divided.

Hamas, along with its security apparatus, ruled Gaza with an iron fist before the war began.

On Monday, a batch of internal Hamas documents seen by the New York Times revealed the scope of the General Security Service.

It used a network of informants to keep tabs on Palestinians publicly criticising Hamas, as well as the activities of local and foreign journalists.

The Turkish embassy in the UK did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...my%20in%20Gaza.

[Hamble]

More than 1,000 Hamas members being treated in Turkey.

So they were airlifted out on humanitarian grounds for medical treatment in Turkey?






https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ls-2024-05-13/

[local]

As usual the default insults,
I have said on many occasions Hamas are murdering scum, the Islamist march is horrendous and I give no succour for them.

How clear do I have to make it?




I have no connection with the font strangler SGZ.

[Hamble]

As usual the default insults,
I have said on many occasions Hamas are murdering scum, the Islamist march is horrendous and I give no succour for them.

How clear do I have to make it?




I have no connection with the font strangler SGZ.

Quote Hamble
"What an awful thing to say.Hamas have never relied on Palestine only to kill Jews.

Is sGZ your wife/husband/partner by the way?"


No insults in my post?