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    Corbyn's letter to Theresa May.

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    Dear Prime Minister,

    I want to thank you for speaking to me last night regarding the bombing raids in Syria overnight, and for the security briefing you shared. I am very glad that all British military personnel have returned home safely, and hope too that there have been no civilian casualties in Syria.

    As I said, I believe that Parliament should have been consulted and voted on the matter. The UK prime minister is accountable to Parliament, not to the whims of a US president. I believe the action was legally questionable, and this morning the UN secretary general has said as much, reiterating that all countries must act in line with the UN charter.

    You assured me that the attorney general had given clear legal advice approving the action. I would therefore be grateful if you would publish this advice in full today.

    Given that neither the UN nor the OPCW has yet investigated, it is clear that diplomatic and non-military means have not been fully exhausted. It is now vitally important that the OPCW inspectors, who are due to arrive in Douma today, are allowed to do their work and publish their report into their findings - and report to the United Nations Security Council.




    I would therefore welcome your assurance that there will be no further bombing raids while OPCW inspectors are on the ground. They must be allowed to complete their inspections without hindrance.

    Acting through the United Nations, I believe Britain should now take a diplomatic lead to negotiate a pause in this abhorrent conflict in which hundreds of thousands of Syrians have already been killed and millions displaced.

    The refugee crisis places a responsibility on all countries and I hope the government will now increase its commitment to take additional refugees.

    Hundreds of unaccompanied children remain in Europe and the UK must do more through the Dubs amendment. This means engaging with all parties that are involved in the conflict - including Iran, Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the US - to ensure there is an immediate ceasefire.

    We have the grotesque spectacle of a wider geopolitical proxy battle being waged, with the Syrian people used as pawns by all sides. I would welcome your assurance that Britain will embark on renewed diplomatic efforts to end this conflict.

    Our only priority must be the safety and security of the Syrian people - which is best served by de-escalating this conflict, so that aid can get in.

    Yours sincerely,

    Jeremy Corbyn MP

    Leader of the Opposition



    What's bugging Corbyn?



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43762193





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
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    Dear Prime Minister,

    I want to thank you for speaking to me last night regarding the bombing raids in Syria overnight, and for the security briefing you shared. I am very glad that all British military personnel have returned home safely, and hope too that there have been no civilian casualties in Syria.

    As I said, I believe that Parliament should have been consulted and voted on the matter. The UK prime minister is accountable to Parliament, not to the whims of a US president. I believe the action was legally questionable, and this morning the UN secretary general has said as much, reiterating that all countries must act in line with the UN charter.

    You assured me that the attorney general had given clear legal advice approving the action. I would therefore be grateful if you would publish this advice in full today.

    Given that neither the UN nor the OPCW has yet investigated, it is clear that diplomatic and non-military means have not been fully exhausted. It is now vitally important that the OPCW inspectors, who are due to arrive in Douma today, are allowed to do their work and publish their report into their findings - and report to the United Nations Security Council.




    I would therefore welcome your assurance that there will be no further bombing raids while OPCW inspectors are on the ground. They must be allowed to complete their inspections without hindrance.

    Acting through the United Nations, I believe Britain should now take a diplomatic lead to negotiate a pause in this abhorrent conflict in which hundreds of thousands of Syrians have already been killed and millions displaced.

    The refugee crisis places a responsibility on all countries and I hope the government will now increase its commitment to take additional refugees.

    Hundreds of unaccompanied children remain in Europe and the UK must do more through the Dubs amendment. This means engaging with all parties that are involved in the conflict - including Iran, Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the US - to ensure there is an immediate ceasefire.

    We have the grotesque spectacle of a wider geopolitical proxy battle being waged, with the Syrian people used as pawns by all sides. I would welcome your assurance that Britain will embark on renewed diplomatic efforts to end this conflict.

    Our only priority must be the safety and security of the Syrian people - which is best served by de-escalating this conflict, so that aid can get in.

    Yours sincerely,

    Jeremy Corbyn MP

    Leader of the Opposition



    What's bugging Corbyn?



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43762193

    God forbid he ever becomes PM .
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    [QUOTE=Hamble;6634126]Quote




    Since when have you ever known the BBC to issue independent and factual reports?

    Corbyn is right - but his focus is on gaining popularity.

    There is no evidence for chemical gas being used at all. Everytime Assad gains headway against the rebels - the USA screams Chemical weapons. None of the reports received regarding the claimed chemicals have been verified, nor have the photographs issued been verified. The only report received was from AMERICAN health workers, and the infiltration group the AMERICAN White Helmets.

    What is the point of Assad using Chemical Warfare anyway? Every single report from Syria and outside regions, including western media - report that Syria is winning against the terrorists!

    Every Arabic nation has condemned the attack on Syria, just as many other World countries have done. This is not an act of Peace!

    The British public are under a situation of austerity. Each of the missiles used against Syria cost £1.4million. It is claimed that France, the UK and the USA launched 100 missiles against Syria. The Russians managed to intercept all but thirteen of these. Just think what a waste of lives, money and energy that has cost along with the loss of face!

    The situation has been increased in the Middle East due to Western interference.
    According to the news from the Middle East - "Israel, supported by the USA, is attacking Lebanon. This is a long standing war that started when the Palestinians recruited militants in Lebanon to attack the Israelis. The attacks have increased over the past year.

    The Yemen is firing missiles into Saudi Arabia attacking its airport and oil plants. The reason for this conflict is because the Saudi's, supported by the USA, wanted to influence the outcome of the Yemeni Civil War in favour of the government of President Hadi. The conflict has escalated over the past few months.

    Saudi Arabia has sent a delegation to the UK in 2017 to meet with Theresa May, and also to the USA, Trump, to purchase support. Saudi want to ally with Israel but has stated that this could not be done until Palestine is taken over by the Israelis".

    Throughout the Middle East the situation is very tenuous - and even more reason why the West should not become involved. The Arabic nations while in conflict with each other, will side together as brothers when outsiders are involved.

    The general public have been lied to over the Iraqi war in 2003. It is very difficult to convince a deeply cynical and sceptical global public of claims of criminality by rival major powers without clear evidence to back them up. Call it collateral damage of being found out once: credibility once lost is hard to rebuild. This also applies to the Skripol incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post

    What's bugging Corbyn?
    Probably this bit:

    Given that neither the UN nor the OPCW has yet investigated, it is clear that diplomatic and non-military means have not been fully exhausted. It is now vitally important that the OPCW inspectors, who are due to arrive in Douma today, are allowed to do their work and publish their report into their findings - and report to the United Nations Security Council.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
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    Since when have you ever known the BBC to issue independent and factual reports?

    Corbyn is right - but his focus is on gaining popularity.

    There is no evidence for chemical gas being used at all. Everytime Assad gains headway against the rebels - the USA screams Chemical weapons. None of the reports received regarding the claimed chemicals have been verified, nor have the photographs issued been verified. The only report received was from AMERICAN health workers, and the infiltration group the AMERICAN White Helmets.

    What is the point of Assad using Chemical Warfare anyway? Every single report from Syria and outside regions, including western media - report that Syria is winning against the terrorists!

    Every Arabic nation has condemned the attack on Syria, just as many other World countries have done. This is not an act of Peace!

    The British public are under a situation of austerity. Each of the missiles used against Syria cost £1.4million. It is claimed that France, the UK and the USA launched 100 missiles against Syria. The Russians managed to intercept all but thirteen of these. Just think what a waste of lives, money and energy that has cost along with the loss of face!

    The situation has been increased in the Middle East due to Western interference.
    According to the news from the Middle East - "Israel, supported by the USA, is attacking Lebanon. This is a long standing war that started when the Palestinians recruited militants in Lebanon to attack the Israelis. The attacks have increased over the past year.

    The Yemen is firing missiles into Saudi Arabia attacking its airport and oil plants. The reason for this conflict is because the Saudi's, supported by the USA, wanted to influence the outcome of the Yemeni Civil War in favour of the government of President Hadi. The conflict has escalated over the past few months.

    Saudi Arabia has sent a delegation to the UK in 2017 to meet with Theresa May, and also to the USA, Trump, to purchase support. Saudi want to ally with Israel but has stated that this could not be done until Palestine is taken over by the Israelis".

    Throughout the Middle East the situation is very tenuous - and even more reason why the West should not become involved. The Arabic nations while in conflict with each other, will side together as brothers when outsiders are involved.

    The general public have been lied to over the Iraqi war in 2003. It is very difficult to convince a deeply cynical and sceptical global public of claims of criminality by rival major powers without clear evidence to back them up. Call it collateral damage of being found out once: credibility once lost is hard to rebuild. This also applies to the Skripol incident.
    I am half inclined to opt for no intervention by foreign power unless
    in defence.

    Chemical weapons have been used on the streets of Britain.
    Syrian's are being murdered by their own government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Probably this bit:

    Given that neither the UN nor the OPCW has yet investigated, it is clear that diplomatic and non-military means have not been fully exhausted. It is now vitally important that the OPCW inspectors, who are due to arrive in Douma today, are allowed to do their work and publish their report into their findings - and report to the United Nations Security Council.
    Nothing to lose then whatever the allies destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post






    There is no evidence for chemical gas being used at all.



    Everytime Assad gains headway against the rebels - the USA screams Chemical weapons. None of the reports received regarding the claimed chemicals have been verified,


    Saudi want to ally with Israel but has stated that this could not be done until Palestine is taken over by the Israelis".


    It is claimed that France, the UK and the USA launched 100 missiles against Syria. The Russians managed to intercept all but thirteen of these.




    .







    There is no evidence for chemical gas being used at all.


    Damascus and Moscow have denied any involvement in the attack, with Russian officials saying their experts had found no trace of chemical weapons in Douma, and then claiming the attack had been staged by rebels. On Friday, Moscow even claimed Britain 'staged' the attack.





    Everytime Assad gains headway against the rebels - the USA screams Chemical weapons. None of the reports received regarding the claimed chemicals have been verified,

    There have been two previous confirmed examples of large-scale sarin use in the Syrian conflict – in both cases the OPCW found that the sarin used against opposition targets came from regime-held stockpiles.






    Saudi want to ally with Israel but has stated that this could not be done until Palestine is taken over by the Israelis".



    Are you able to cite your source?


    It is claimed that France, the UK and the USA launched 100 missiles against Syria. The Russians managed to intercept all but thirteen of these.



    13 Missiles caused significant damage.


    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...ttack-on-syria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Nothing to lose then whatever the allies destroyed.
    Surely evidence has been lost. What has been gained by these airstrikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Surely evidence has been lost. What has been gained by these airstrikes?
    The gas cannot be used to kill Syrian children?

    Evidence in a storage plant is not as useful as finding empty gas canisters on Syrian building roofs which reportedly the French have.

    Even if the OPCW found the rebels/Syrian regime opponents carried the gas attacks or staged an attack the repercussions for Corbyn policy on encouraging the West to accommodate the civil war refugees is a threat to UK and European security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Surely evidence has been lost. What has been gained by these airstrikes?

    How-so?


    The U.S., Britain and France launched airstrikes against Syrian chemical sites.
    As far as I'm aware, no coalition missiles fell on Douma.
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    I suppose the Syrian refugees can be housed in the houses vacated by disabled people who have been forced out of their home for having an extra bedroom.
    We have a Health service in crisis, violent crime going through the roof yet we can fire off missiles at £1.4m a time at pre arranged sites so as to not bring Russia into a fully fledged world war.

    Obviously only being a common tax payer for the last 53 years I have no right trying to fathom out how Old Etonian Oxbridge/Camford minds work but I am fed up with being fed BULL*HIT from all sides of the Palace of Westminster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    The gas cannot be used to kill Syrian children?

    Evidence in a storage plant is not as useful as finding empty gas canisters on Syrian building roofs which reportedly the French have.

    Even if the OPCW found the rebels/Syrian regime opponents carried the gas attacks or staged an attack the repercussions for Corbyn policy on encouraging the West to accommodate the civil war refugees is a threat to UK and European security.
    Trump launched missiles on chemical weapons stores last April, it made no difference. He attacked an airbase to stop Syrian planes attacking their own people. The planes were airborne within hours. What is the point to these 'token' attacks? It won't stop Assad. Assad is winning. A former Chief of the British Armed Forces said so. A general from CENTCOM told Congress the same.

    As far as 'Even if the OPCW found the rebels/Syrian regime opponents carried the gas attacks or staged an attack' is concerned, are you actually serious? Without evidence from OPCW, you're suggesting we could have been duped into the attack, and that's OK as long as it stops refugees? We can attack a foreign power, without any evidence at all (yet), without Parliamentary consent, without backing from the UN, and that is OK? Or because, has been suggested, we don't get left in the cold by Trump and Macron? Military action inspired by tweets? Utter insanity.

    You suggest the rebels themselves could have staged gas attacks, and on that basis, we not only carry the cost of military action, we could be facing off against not just Syria, but Russia and Iran? All because we weren't prepared to wait for evidence from the world authority on chemical weapons?

    If we are so worried about children in foreign countries, why aren't we dropping missiles in Yemen, in Myanmar? In any of several African countries where human rights abuses and mass murder of civilians are ongoing? Anything to do with oil pipelines, maybe?


    Regarding 'Corbyn policy on encouraging the West to accommodate the civil war refugees is a threat to UK and European security.', the refugee crisis started in earnest before April 2015. Corbyn wasn't even the Labour leader then. Cameron was in number 10 so presumably our policies re. refugees comes from the current government. What on earth has it to do with Corbyn, apart from the sensible notion that dropping missiles on foreign countries will probably cause more refugees, so why not wait for evidence, instead of asking 'how high' when the Orange Idiot tells us to jump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Styx View Post
    How-so?


    The U.S., Britain and France launched airstrikes against Syrian chemical sites.
    As far as I'm aware, no coalition missiles fell on Douma.
    Comparing evidence from Douma to substances at the chemical weapons sites? Deducing the origins of the chemicals, as there are few countries in the world that openly produce chemical weapons? I assume the OPCW has the authority to visit such sites, as nuclear weapons inspectors do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Trump launched missiles on chemical weapons stores last April, it made no difference. He attacked an airbase to stop Syrian planes attacking their own people. The planes were airborne within hours. What is the point to these 'token' attacks? It won't stop Assad. Assad is winning. A former Chief of the British Armed Forces said so. A general from CENTCOM told Congress the same.

    As far as 'Even if the OPCW found the rebels/Syrian regime opponents carried the gas attacks or staged an attack' is concerned, are you actually serious? Without evidence from OPCW, you're suggesting we could have been duped into the attack, and that's OK as long as it stops refugees? We can attack a foreign power, without any evidence at all (yet), without Parliamentary consent, without backing from the UN, and that is OK? Or because, has been suggested, we don't get left in the cold by Trump and Macron? Military action inspired by tweets? Utter insanity.

    You suggest the rebels themselves could have staged gas attacks, and on that basis, we not only carry the cost of military action, we could be facing off against not just Syria, but Russia and Iran? All because we weren't prepared to wait for evidence from the world authority on chemical weapons?

    If we are so worried about children in foreign countries, why aren't we dropping missiles in Yemen, in Myanmar? In any of several African countries where human rights abuses and mass murder of civilians are ongoing? Anything to do with oil pipelines, maybe?


    Regarding 'Corbyn policy on encouraging the West to accommodate the civil war refugees is a threat to UK and European security.', the refugee crisis started in earnest before April 2015. Corbyn wasn't even the Labour leader then. Cameron was in number 10 so presumably our policies re. refugees comes from the current government. What on earth has it to do with Corbyn, apart from the sensible notion that dropping missiles on foreign countries will probably cause more refugees, so why not wait for evidence, instead of asking 'how high' when the Orange Idiot tells us to jump?

    Are Yemen and Myanmar using chemical weapons?

    Syria Iran and Russia are allies.
    Syria and Russia are accused of using chemical weapons on civilians.
    Russia is accused of using chemical weapons on British soil.


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    What's bugging Corbyn?


    Toodles McGinty reply

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    "Probably this bit:

    Given that neither the UN nor the OPCW has yet investigated, it is clear that diplomatic and non-military means have not been fully exhausted. It is now vitally important that the OPCW inspectors, who are due to arrive in Douma today, are allowed to do their work and publish their report into their findings - and report to the United Nations Security Council."

    Corbyn(in your view) is effectively saying gas attacks must be allowed to continue despite 7 years of failed Western diplomacy and recent events in Salisbury.
    ......................................



    I am saying what matters most is the chemicals are removed from all Syrian hands.

    Refuge policy under Cameron and now remains cautious.
    Corbyn(in his letter to TM) beats the government with Syrian refugee numbers on the one hand and on the other supports the Syrian regime claims the rebels/revolutionists/Syrian people committed the crime.

    So what does Corbyn the socialist believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post

    Evidence in a storage plant is not as useful as finding empty gas canisters on Syrian building roofs which reportedly the French have.
    The French have since published their declassified intelligence report, which doesn't mention gas cylinders.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1HL0N1

    The image of a gas cylinder on a roof was published by the White Caps.

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