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Gay cake ruling
This has cost ,I believe,£350000 in legal fees to eventually find in the Cake shops favour. Had they been of any other faith but Christian would the court case have been necessary or would their views have been immediately respected?
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Who's views?
The shops?
Don't think it would have made any difference. On balance I think it was the right decision. But I can see why in this 'PC' world we live in why there was such a stink about it. But it comes down to freedom of choice, If they didn't want to do the work why should they? Why would anyone want their cake done by someone that doesn't want to do it? Are their no other cake shops in the area or something. Storm in a tea cup, where the only person that should have lost out was the cake shop in not having the work.
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I have not read, in depth, the full ruling. However, on the face of it, I still feel it discriminates against the gay man, or gay people in general.
If you accept the order for the cake you complete it in full, regardless of the message it will convey. Obviously, nothing that would be against any laws etc.
Either you refuse to take the order and the customer takes their order elsewhere, or accept it and complete it to the customer's request.
The terms of making a cake and any messages you disagree with should be clearly visable to the customer before ordering.
As far as I am aware, this was not stated, and just because of the owners religious beliefs they refused to put the message on after accepting the order. I will stand up for anyone's religious view, and if they affect your business these should be prominently displayed in the terms of business before placing or accepting an order.
I feel the supreme court are wrong. Therefore discrimination.
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There is a difference between not accepting the order because the customer is gay which was the basis of the case and not accepting the order due to the message, which is why the court found in favour of the bakery.
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I don't agree that the gay man was discriminated against and none other than Peter Tatchell has said the very same.
He spoke most eloquently on the world at one stating that, if the decision had stood then Muslim printers could have been compelled to print cartoons mocking the prophet or, Jewish printers be obliged to publish holocaust denial material.
I think he was stretching the point a bit but the general idea was that the actions were in no way predjudicial to the gay couple and that the bakeries owners acted lawfully - in fact the bakers have said the gay man is welcome at any of their establishments.
A small victory for freedom of choice.
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The cake was only going to cost £35.
All this **** for a lump of sponge!
Devil in disguise,
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I think if the bakers had refused to do a cake for a gay wedding, then that would be discrimination. But it had what they saw as a political slogan, which is different.
Good to know that religion is still so tolerant. And Christianity, like all other organised religions, is really inclusive.
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Their money's good, so make them welcome, take the order and ask them to recommend your shop to their friends....Turning away business (from whatever quarter) is no way to improve the balance sheet!
On Yer Bike!
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Originally Posted by The PNP
Their money's good, so make them welcome, take the order and ask them to recommend your shop to their friends....Turning away business (from whatever quarter) is no way to improve the balance sheet!
And is their choice. If it's something they don't agree with, Why should they have to do it. They where not refusing to serve the gay gentlemen, Just not agree with his political slogan.
To be fair, It's a breach of copyright too. :-p
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Originally Posted by The PNP
Their money's good, so make them welcome, take the order and ask them to recommend your shop to their friends....Turning away business (from whatever quarter) is no way to improve the balance sheet!
Oh, I don't know. The cake shop could not have wished for greater advertising. I bet they have done well out of it.
The fact is that you cannot allow one person's rights without denying another person theirs.
A law may have been passed - but there is nothing to force people to accept it. They may say publicly that they do - but in reality, no more than previously, actually do accept it.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
I think if the bakers had refused to do a cake for a gay wedding, then that would be discrimination. But it had what they saw as a political slogan, which is different.
Good to know that religion is still so tolerant. And Christianity, like all other organised religions, is really inclusive.
If it had happened to any other people, they would have accepted it and gone elsewhere. Why did these people create such a fuss? There is only one answer and that is because they needed their moment of fame.
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The only winners in this farce are as usual the legal vultures, who will contest or fight any case just so long as they get paid.
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Ashers bakery has spent more £200,000 on the case. It is being paid by The Christian Institute, a charity and lobby group.
The Equality Commission spent more than £250,000 of public money on the case.
That is before legal costs.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
The only winners in this farce are as usual the legal vultures, who will contest or fight any case just so long as they get paid.
The cake was not the issue here. It was the testing of a legal statute that effects everyone the statue covers. It's the interpretation of the law which creates certainty so that society can adapt as the government wishes.
Both sides were funded by different groups so the individuals didn't have to pay. It was the wider interpretation issue that was ran for clarification of the law that is why the issue was ran as far as it did and at a cost it did.
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Originally Posted by Normal
The cake was not the issue here. It was the testing of a legal statute that effects everyone the statue covers. It's the interpretation of the law which creates certainty so that society can adapt as the government wishes.
Both sides were funded by different groups so the individuals didn't have to pay. It was the wider interpretation issue that was ran for clarification of the law that is why the issue was ran as far as it did and at a cost it did.
A very expensive exercise in Common Sense, you mean!
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