Labour's Party Political Broadcast.

[Hamble]

Broadcast 18th January 2017

I thought it was a cringe worthy.

Any valid facts or 'opposition' politics was lost in the presentation.

I felt angry afterwards when I should have felt optimistic that
a Corbynless advert for Labour was a step forward.

[Albion102]

I have to admit I didn't watch it - but just did. As one of Q's alleged lefties I have to admit I cringed quite a lot. I thought even though the content wasn't especially patronising, the presenter managed to make it so.

The content of course doesn't stand up to analysis. If the NHS requires extra capacity (I'm not sure how much), and the staff are both overworked and underpaid, then reducing workloads, increasing wages and increasing capacity will be very expensive. It really isn't clear how that would be funded and to me any policy promise on this scale, without funding proposals, from a party a million miles from getting into power is not worth the paper it is written on, or VT hard drive that it is recorded on !

[Hamble]

I have to admit I didn't watch it - but just did. As one of Q's alleged lefties I have to admit I cringed quite a lot. I thought even though the content wasn't especially patronising, the presenter managed to make it so.

The content of course doesn't stand up to analysis. If the NHS requires extra capacity (I'm not sure how much), and the staff are both overworked and underpaid, then reducing workloads, increasing wages and increasing capacity will be very expensive. It really isn't clear how that would be funded and to me any policy promise on this scale, without funding proposals, from a party a million miles from getting into power is not worth the paper it is written on, or VT hard drive that it is recorded on !

I think or gather from what I have read that Labour plans to do a complete top down reorganisation.
That would be so costly when all the Tories have to do is await the crisis in The nhs going away......and it will as Brexit unfolds.

Tory's have made a broken system even more broken.
I do not see how the nhs can be fixed without a complete overhaul.

As for that party political broadcast.....whose idea was it to have a lefty
version of Mrs T pulling a patronising stunt?

Perhaps this country does need a new political party confident to use Capitalism and socialism without being a traitorish to the big two!

[Albion102]

The other thing they did was conflate the £350m a day "promise" made by one of the leave campaigns, with a conservative party promise.

[The PNP]

Well, I didn't watch it/know it was on, but would likely have given it a miss anyway.....As for the NHS 'crisis', surely prevention is better than cure? So would prefer to see money spent on encouraging healthier lifestyles, rather than trying to remedying a raft of avoidable health issues.

[Little Londoner]

Well, I didn't watch it/know it was on, but would likely have given it a miss anyway.....As for the NHS 'crisis', surely prevention is better than cure? So would prefer to see money spent on encouraging healthier lifestyles, rather than trying to remedying a raft of avoidable health issues.

If you were banned from posting it would lower a lot of peoples blood pressure.

[Hamble]

Well, I didn't watch it/know it was on, but would likely have given it a miss anyway.....As for the NHS 'crisis', surely prevention is better than cure? So would prefer to see money spent on encouraging healthier lifestyles, rather than trying to remedying a raft of avoidable health issues.

Money is spent on 'preventative health' and also on health checks or screening for early diagnosis of any health risks.

There is also providing a service to act on health checks as defined by
'Terms Of Service' in G.p contracts measured in QOF's part of G.ps enormous paperwork.


Multiply preventative medicine service in the UK base already and for every new patient and you can imagine the scale of need required for people who have not come from a country with a free at the point of delivery comprehensive non' means tested' health service.


I worry how you would cope pnp if you had the misfortune to suffer ill health despite your belief your healthy lifestyle keeps you safer than the next man?

[Darkside]

The other thing they did was conflate the £350m a day "promise" made by one of the leave campaigns, with a conservative party promise.

That had me shouting at the tv. Firstly, it wasn't the Government or indeed the Conservative party that associated the £350million savings with the NHS, it was the Leave campaign (which contained members of the Labour party). Secondly, the Leave campaign never 'promised' to spend the £350million on the NHS, they said something along the lines of 'wouldn't you rather we could spend that £350million on the NHS?'.

The PPB was inaccurate, biased scaremongering which offered no actual solutions to the problem other than to throw money at it, which has never worked in the past. But Labour never let the fact that something has failed miserably before from stopping them trying it again.

Do I think the Conservatives are doing a great job with the NHS? No. Do I think Labour would do better? No, they'd make it far worse. What the NHS needs is a top-down reorganisation lead by people with experience of big industry who will make true efficiency savings and make the vast wads of cash thrown at the NHS actually work and give value for money. I'm not talking about privatisation, just using skills from the private sector which are clearly much needed. First thing I would do is make it illegal for managers sacked/let go by one Trust pop up at another on another massive salary. Been let go from an NHS Trust? You'll never work in one again.

[The PNP]

A) Money is spent on 'preventative health' and also on health checks or screening for early diagnosis of any health risks....There is also providing a service to act on health checks as defined by Terms Of Service' in G.p contracts measured in QOF's part of G.ps enormous paperwork.

Multiply preventative medicine service in the UK base already and for every new patient and you can imagine the scale of need required for people who have not come from a country with a free at the point of delivery comprehensive non' means tested' health service.

B) I worry how you would cope pnp if you had the misfortune to suffer ill health despite your belief your healthy lifestyle keeps you safer than the next man?

A) I had in mind something more on the lines of GP's giving general keep-fit advice to all patients. Perhaps 'prescribing' a modest exercise regime where appropriate, along with basic dietary advice. In particular to those who appear obviously overweight, regardless of what they were there for.

E.g. Doctor: 'how did you travel to this appointment today and from how far? Have you ever considered walking, jogging, or cycling to these appointments? Because as we know, physical inactivity leads to several tens of thousands of premature deaths per year in the UK - and I wouldn't want you to become one of them.'

B) Well, we all croak sooner or later due to one cause or another - even the fittest amongst us. But I don't see that as a valid reason to give up trying to keep fit - and degenerate into just another bloated couch potato, lol!

[Hamble]

A) I had in mind something more on the lines of GP's giving general keep-fit advice to all patients. Perhaps 'prescribing' a modest exercise regime where appropriate, along with basic dietary advice. In particular to those who appear obviously overweight, regardless of what they were there for.

E.g. Doctor: 'how did you travel to this appointment today and from how far? Have you ever considered walking, jogging, or cycling to these appointments? Because as we know, physical inactivity leads to several tens of thousands of premature deaths per year in the UK - and I wouldn't want you to become one of them.'

I am sure that when advice on diet and exercise is sought in a consultation the G.p would give the same advice as you.

Unsolicited advice of the type you suggest may not be well received.
I think it is called 'body shaming' in street slang.
The patient may only remember that one direction remark and feel the Dr did not take the reason for the consultation seriously.

A good 'bedside manner' listens without judging bearing in mind medicine 'should do no harm'.

Patient information leaflets on leaving a consultation are a good tool
even if they only reveal correct spellings of words the Dr has mentioned.

[The PNP]

A) Unsolicited advice of the type you suggest may not be well received. I think it is called 'body shaming' in street slang. The patient may only remember that one direction remark and feel the Dr did not take the reason for the consultation seriously. A good 'bedside manner' listens without judging bearing in mind medicine 'should do no harm'.

B) Patient information leaflets on leaving a consultation are a good tool
even if they only reveal correct spellings of words the Dr has mentioned.

A) I know what you mean, yes it's common practice to say nothing about fatness nowadays for fear of offending someone. Unfortunately, if GP's have the same attitude, they will end up seeing a lot more of those patients. For example when the patients bulk leads to serious health issues down the line, like diabetes, etc.

B) Top idea, as it gets the message across in a relatively discreet manner.

N.B. Carl Malcom celebrates fatness here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vANcgolYNds

[Little Londoner]

A) I know what you mean, yes it's common practice to say nothing about fatness nowadays for fear of offending someone. Unfortunately, if GP's have the same attitude, they will end up seeing a lot more of those patients. For example when the patients bulk leads to serious health issues down the line, like diabetes, etc.

B) Top idea, as it gets the message across in a relatively discreet manner.

You offend people ? I thought that was your mission in life that's why you have a stupid name on the other site so you can be pig ignorant with impunity. Anyway they say it only takes one prick to burst a balloon so here is the needle http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/scie...rt-attack.html read and enjoy

[silver fox]

A) I know what you mean, yes it's common practice to say nothing about fatness nowadays for fear of offending someone. Unfortunately, if GP's have the same attitude, they will end up seeing a lot more of those patients. For example when the patients bulk leads to serious health issues down the line, like diabetes, etc.

B) Top idea, as it gets the message across in a relatively discreet manner.

N.B. Carl Malcom celebrates fatness here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vANcgolYNds

Report out today shows that obese people are surviving heart operations better than underweight or even those with what is regarded as a good BMI, not suggesting we should all pig out, but your fanatical approach isn't quite as good as you seem to think.

Must add I am not overweight, without being obsessive am quite active and eat fairly healthily, but to dictate to others in your manner is as usual, totally self defeating.

Before you start ranting at me, quite recently have had one friend, non smoker, virtually non drinker, very active outdoor life, had multiple bypass operation due to heart disease and later sadly died due to heart attack, another friend regular runner, again non smoker virtually non drinker, waiting for operation to a faulty heart valve and quite young at that, go wave your ideals at these people, probably at least earn you a smack in the teeth.

[Hamble]

A) I know what you mean, yes it's common practice to say nothing about fatness nowadays for fear of offending someone. Unfortunately, if GP's have the same attitude, they will end up seeing a lot more of those patients. For example when the patients bulk leads to serious health issues down the line, like diabetes, etc.

B) Top idea, as it gets the message across in a relatively discreet manner.

N.B. Carl Malcom celebrates fatness here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vANcgolYNds

A leaflet does not tell a person they are 'fat'.
The hand out explains that based on the latest information a low fat low sugar diet combined with exercise etc etc.
The same information for all patients.

Dr's and other nhs staff are not immune from being overweight.
Not to mention policemen.
I bet you pick and choose who you insult.

[The PNP]

I bet you pick and choose who you insult.

A couple of my non-cycling mates are 'fatties', who sadly revel in their right to overeat/overdrink, etc. Personally I couldn't be doing with carrying all that excess weight around.....Whatever, drawing comparisons with my own svelte figure doesn't address the escalating obesity problem our NHS has to deal with. With over 2,000,000 cases (and rising!) of diabetes patients to treat, it's simply creaking under the strain.

NHS now in crisis, yet Labours solution of throwing yet more money at the problem and having another reorganisation can only hope to bring a temporary fix. Something surely needs to happen to address the root of all this, i.e. by fostering a healthier lifestyle in the population.