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Originally Posted by Hamble
I try to look at it a different way.
One cannot change History.
We are all products of our past heritage particularly religion's and regime's that had total control of propaganda and power before the internet.
Islam is made of people good and bad the same as every other religion only their evolvement into controlled civilisation is way behind the West.
Yes religion divides and kills it also unites and saves and fights for what
is worth fighting for.
I agree you can't change history and your point about evolving raises another interesting point particularly about our increased ability to reason and readiness to question.
I cannot for the life of me comprehend how sophisticated modern humans can believe in all that nonsense.
That is unless you view organised religion for what it is and that is a control mechanism.
Remember Karl Marx and his incisive observation that religion is merely an opiate for the people.
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Originally Posted by Styx
Always remember folks,
this has nothing to do with Islam.
He was a Lone Wolf with Mental issues.
Really?
There are many, many teachings within Islam that are not compatible with Western culture, and that poses a real long term problem for the West.
My only hope is that the younger British Islam generation will turn away from ancient mumbo jumbo and use their brains to create a personal , well throught through - moral life-style.
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Originally Posted by xroads
Really?
There are many, many teachings within Islam that are not compatible with Western culture, and that poses a real long term problem for the West.
My only hope is that the younger British Islam generation will turn away from ancient mumbo jumbo and use their brains to create a personal , well throught through - moral life-style.
Islam is a modern religion in comparison to Christianity.
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Originally Posted by Alikado
The biggest problem is the media who give these nutters oxygen, if the incident had been ' Madman drives at crowd then stabs policeman - kills 4' it would have hardly made the headlines outside of this country add in religion and the media pump up the headlines.
These "nutters" have been responsible for 38 terrorist attacks in Europe alone since 2014 resulting in over 300 deaths and over 1000 wounded.
The problem cannot be ignored.
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where is the muslim response
Originally Posted by shippy
Unfortunately innocent and peace living British Muslims are now targeted with racism and abuse, this behaviour is definitely not acceptable...
Its a bit of a roundabout situation isn't it...!!! A fanatical Muslim commits terror and murder, the innocent Muslims, who want to live in peace are now having their life turned upside down with hate crimes and constant abuse...
Eventually these same people, who just wanted to be left to live in peace, will begin to feel animosity towards this country...
This is exactly what these Muslim extremist fanatics want to happen, its easier for them to recruit the younger generation when these young people think there is no hope for them to continue their life in a country where their parents were once part of a peaceful multi racial society... obviously growing up at a very hateful time, with open media, (no one caring what is written) adding more fuel to an already delicate situation, isn't helping to stop the racism which has shown its ugly head in every form..
i see your point shippy, and that would be accepted by me and the british population.....but there is no response critisism or apology, just silence from muslims and clerics, they need to ALL come out and condemn very vocally this type of slaughter, but we get nothing but silence!, if they did this we would accept them, but the only thing i remember is a muslim cleric telling us quite firmly on breakfast itv that britain does not belong to the brits but allah!....over to the muslim community to to condemn the worldwide slaughter....im not holding my breath...the old saying if you are not with us you are against us is very true
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Originally Posted by Alikado
Islam is a modern religion in comparison to Christianity.
A more recent religion perhaps, wouldn't call it modern ,rather more medieval and archaic.
All religions at one time or another have blood on their hands, for me no religious law must ever to be allowed to overrule the laws of a democratic state.
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Originally Posted by gazaprop
I agree you can't change history and your point about evolving raises another interesting point particularly about our increased ability to reason and readiness to question.
I cannot for the life of me comprehend how sophisticated modern humans can believe in all that nonsense.
That is unless you view organised religion for what it is and that is a control mechanism.
Remember Karl Marx and his incisive observation that religion is merely an opiate for the people.
For Muslim's religion has no escape.
There is no separation from the culture.
That is why I believe 'radicalisation' will not be stopped by non Muslims.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
All religions at one time or another have blood on their hands, for me no religious law must ever to be allowed to overrule the laws of a democratic state.
I agree with that wholeheartedly.
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Originally Posted by torchwud
i see your point shippy, and that would be accepted by me and the british population.....but there is no response critisism or apology, just silence from muslims and clerics, they need to ALL come out and condemn very vocally this type of slaughter, but we get nothing but silence!, if they did this we would accept them, but the only thing i remember is a muslim cleric telling us quite firmly on breakfast itv that britain does not belong to the brits but allah!....over to the muslim community to to condemn the worldwide slaughter....im not holding my breath...the old saying if you are not with us you are against us is very true
You won't read anything like that if you stick to Breitbart and breakfast tv. From today's paper..... "In Westminster, leaders of Britain’s Christian, Muslim and Jewish communities stood together to reaffirm inter-faith friendship and solidarity. Justin Welby, the archbishop of Canterbury, Vincent Nichols, the Catholic archbishop of Westminster, Sheikh Khalifa Ezzat of the Sunni Muslim community, Sheikh Mohammed al-Hilli of the Shia Muslim community, and Ephraim Mirvis, the chief rabbi, led a minute’s silence outside Westminster Abbey for those who died"
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Originally Posted by Albion102
You won't read anything like that if you stick to Breitbart and breakfast tv. From today's paper..... "In Westminster, leaders of Britain’s Christian, Muslim and Jewish communities stood together to reaffirm inter-faith friendship and solidarity. Justin Welby, the archbishop of Canterbury, Vincent Nichols, the Catholic archbishop of Westminster, Sheikh Khalifa Ezzat of the Sunni Muslim community, Sheikh Mohammed al-Hilli of the Shia Muslim community, and Ephraim Mirvis, the chief rabbi, led a minute’s silence outside Westminster Abbey for those who died"
Yes Albion that interfaith and solidarity meeting certainly does give hope for tolerance from everyone...
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Originally Posted by Albion102
You won't read anything like that if you stick to Breitbart and breakfast tv. From today's paper.....
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Originally Posted by torchwud
the frightening part of this is they are in southport, iv over heard them (in a local shop where i was doing a job) celebrating the charlie hebdo attack in paris, they are here and against us!.. no doubt the snowflakes will make excuses for this activity...
Stop winding people up!
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Originally Posted by Home-Slice
These "nutters" have been responsible for 38 terrorist attacks in Europe alone since 2014 resulting in over 300 deaths and over 1000 wounded.
The problem cannot be ignored.
Whats the total Murdered and Maimed in American Schools in the same period?
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Originally Posted by Styx
In all honesty Styx, unfortunately it's not only some Muslims who frown on homosexuality. ...we witness racism,homophobia and bigotry on a daily basis from people of all faiths...
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Originally Posted by Styx
You won't learn anything if you read and listen to western news. People need to get out and look at what is going on. In the UK, many Muslims do hold to their own beliefs and upbringing and refuse to accept the British way of life. There are far too many women who are forced to obey their menfolk in the UK. Our authorities have even been responsible for some of this as they have allowed polygamous marriages, allowed Halal meat and even allowed for Islam to be taught in schools. Even in Mombai, perhaps one of the most international areas in the world - foreign people segregate with their own Nations.
As for the London event - papers claimed the identity of the perpetrator to have been Abu Izzadeen, whose appearance is close to that given by the witnesses - but after it was published that Izzadeen is still in prison - it was immediately published in numerous and repeated reports that the identity is that of Khalid Massood.
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