National Service for Doctors?

[Hamble]

Doctors could face more than five years mandatory NHS service under DH plans
By David Millett on the 14 March 2017

Newly-trained doctors could be tied to the NHS for more than five years after graduation under DH proposals that also call for medical schools with greater focus on GP training to be given more places.
GPs have been invited to express their views on introducing an army-style minimum term that would tie new medical students to the NHS for up to five years – or potentially even longer – as the government expands undergraduate placements.
The proposals form part of the government’s drive to up the number of ‘home-grown’ doctors by 25% – heralded as ‘the largest single increase in doctor training places in the history of the NHS’ by health secretary Jeremy Hunt.
The changes, to be implemented September 2018, will see 1,500 additional places open up in England's medical schools for domestic students, bringing the total available up to over 8,500.


Good idea or not?

[Alikado]

As part of their training Doctors are already doing a minimum of 3 years and some upto seven if they are going into a specialist area. There are already spare places not taken up in the system, what is required is to persuade students to that path and away from the easier subjects.

[Albion102]

As part of their training Doctors are already doing a minimum of 3 years and some upto seven if they are going into a specialist area. There are already spare places not taken up in the system, what is required is to persuade students to that path and away from the easier subjects.

Could you tell me where in the system there are spare places in undergraduate medical schools ?

There is an interesting debate to be had about how hard is medicine to study. There is a lot to learn and medical students work harder than most other students, but the high entry tariff is driven more by demand than need. The truism used to be that you needed to be a CCC level to do a medical degree but at AAA to get into medical school in the first place.

[Hamble]

As part of their training Doctors are already doing a minimum of 3 years and some upto seven if they are going into a specialist area. There are already spare places not taken up in the system, what is required is to persuade students to that path and away from the easier subjects.

The problem recently has been the cost of medical training resulting in more already trained applicants canvassed from out of the UK.

The trend for UK trained doctors continued to be affected by UK trained leaving the nhs after training ended and the cheaper option (funding wise) of already trained Dr's from out of UK in abundance to work in posts particularly the hard to fill.

At the moment I am thinking that asking for such a commitment to the nhs does not seem unreasonable an idea.

[Albion102]

I agree with Hamble. Whilst they now have to pay £9k a year student fees, these are still heavily subsidised both by the university and through central government funding. Five years national service still gives them plenty of time to have a lucrative private career afterwards if they want.

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The problem recently has been the cost of medical training resulting in more already trained applicants canvassed from out of the UK.

The trend for UK trained doctors continued to be affected by UK trained leaving the nhs after training ended and the cheaper option (funding wise) of already trained Dr's from out of UK in abundance to work in posts particularly the hard to fill.

At the moment I am thinking that asking for such a commitment to the nhs does not seem unreasonable an idea.

Quoted Wikipedia.
//All leading British medical schools are state-funded and their core purpose is to train doctors on behalf of the National Health Service. Courses generally last five or six years: two years of pre-clinical training in an academic environment and three years clinical training at a teaching hospital and in community settings. Medical schools and teaching hospitals are closely integrated.//

Why not give back something which the NHS has given you...unfortunately many young Doctors are looking abroad, to places such as Australia, Canada and New Zealand...

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https://qz.com/67304/i-just-finished...l-school-debt/


Was curious about Medical Student fees in the US and found this article.

No wonder American NHS is up the creek...