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    Talking rewilding

    Re-wilding seems to be the current "in" phrase with conservationists, watched a feature on telly the other day, we saw this over enthusiastic guy standing in a field of wild flowers, saying that all they need to do is spread the field with hay collected from a "natural" meadow, keep grazing animals off and the result was this "haven" for all manner of wild life.

    Then a farmer, who clearly does have an interest in the environment and who had previously been involved with this type of letting the ground return to it's "natural state", his comments were very revealing. He said that initially the results were good, but in a few very short years the land had become a waste land of weeds, with gorse and heather making a comeback, while this suited some species the majority of wild life had gone, in fact he was quite certain there was a greater diversity and quantity of wild life on the ground he continued to farm.

    This particular programme was aimed at the Lake District, do these conservationists not realise that the Lake District they see and obviously love has been in part moulded by centuries of human habitation and farming? do they seriously think that features like dry stone walls and the numerous tracks and pathways appeared naturally?

    Then we have the those who wish to reintroduce wolves and lynx to the country, the reasoning being that in some areas the deer population has grown out of control and reintroducing a predator species would control the situation.

    I do wonder has someone explained this to the wolves and lynx, I can just imagine momma wolf or lynx with growing hungry mouths to feed, spending hours/days tracking and stalking the very agile and possibly hostile deer, when just around the corner there are fields full of slow moving, placid sheep. One guy was bubbling away over this, saying that there are very few recorded instances of lynx attacking humans or approaching human habitation, for me if predators of this size and power are introduced into this country, there will be a time when humans will come into conflict, frankly I would prefer not trying to explain to an angry, very large cat, that I will leave and meant it no harm.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2 View Post
    Sure, but we don't have that sort of space available, no problem with the natural world, but predators at the top of the food chain need space, we don't have that much, the Peak District is a total of 555 sq miles and a lot of people live and work there, Yellowstone National Park is 5,500 sq miles with little or no permanent habitation, bit of a difference, even the Scottish Highlands which is the most sparsely populated region of the the UK is only 9,226 sq miles and even then there are still centres of population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    Re-wilding seems to be the current "in" phrase with conservationists, watched a feature on telly the other day, we saw this over enthusiastic guy standing in a field of wild flowers, saying that all they need to do is spread the field with hay collected from a "natural" meadow, keep grazing animals off and the result was this "haven" for all manner of wild life.

    Then a farmer, who clearly does have an interest in the environment and who had previously been involved with this type of letting the ground return to it's "natural state", his comments were very revealing. He said that initially the results were good, but in a few very short years the land had become a waste land of weeds, with gorse and heather making a comeback, while this suited some species the majority of wild life had gone, in fact he was quite certain there was a greater diversity and quantity of wild life on the ground he continued to farm.

    This particular programme was aimed at the Lake District, do these conservationists not realise that the Lake District they see and obviously love has been in part moulded by centuries of human habitation and farming? do they seriously think that features like dry stone walls and the numerous tracks and pathways appeared naturally?

    Then we have the those who wish to reintroduce wolves and lynx to the country, the reasoning being that in some areas the deer population has grown out of control and reintroducing a predator species would control the situation.

    I do wonder has someone explained this to the wolves and lynx, I can just imagine momma wolf or lynx with growing hungry mouths to feed, spending hours/days tracking and stalking the very agile and possibly hostile deer, when just around the corner there are fields full of slow moving, placid sheep. One guy was bubbling away over this, saying that there are very few recorded instances of lynx attacking humans or approaching human habitation, for me if predators of this size and power are introduced into this country, there will be a time when humans will come into conflict, frankly I would prefer not trying to explain to an angry, very large cat, that I will leave and meant it no harm.
    I often wonder about the intelligence of these so called conservationists. I visited a wood that I knew well but had not returned to for many years - the woods covered a large area, and was very lush with little brooks running through it - a huge variety of wild life was always present. Due to conservation, the woods had been severely cut back - not just coppicing, but severely thinned out, with laid gravel pathways and manmade features everywhere - it was disgusting!
    Conservationists do not seem to know what they are doing half the time, and that is being nice! By introducing new species into the wild is to create a whole host of other problems, and generally ends with certain local species being killed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    I often wonder about the intelligence of these so called conservationists. I visited a wood that I knew well but had not returned to for many years - the woods covered a large area, and was very lush with little brooks running through it - a huge variety of wild life was always present. Due to conservation, the woods had been severely cut back - not just coppicing, but severely thinned out, with laid gravel pathways and manmade features everywhere - it was disgusting!
    Conservationists do not seem to know what they are doing half the time, and that is being nice! By introducing new species into the wild is to create a whole host of other problems, and generally ends with certain local species being killed off.
    Conservationists cutting back the trees, laying paths and erecting man made features?? Seems to contradict everything they believe in. Are you sure it wasn't the local authority with the "man made feature" being a pay booth at the gate in the ugly fence?

    And let's not forget too, that wild animals were at home on this earth, a long time before we started killing them off and, making a complete mess of the world. Perhaps we should think about changing some of our ways so that we can co-exist with these beautiful creatures. Yellowstone is just an example of what can be done. Even in more limited spaces.
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    There was talk of reintroducing Bear to the Scottish Highlands along with the Wolves. As far as the Wolves were concerned they intended "fencing" them in. Not like the Wolves couldn't get through Chicken net fencing is it?
    I'm afraid that this Country has become to crowded to reintroduce large predators back into the environment?
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rolling-thunder View Post
    There was talk of reintroducing Bear to the Scottish Highlands along with the Wolves. As far as the Wolves were concerned they intended "fencing" them in. Not like the Wolves couldn't get through Chicken net fencing is it?
    I'm afraid that this Country has become to crowded to reintroduce large predators back into the environment?
    That's true, but what about Scotland ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion102 View Post
    That's true, but what about Scotland ?
    Yes, 30,000 square miles with a population of only 5,250,000. 70% of whom live in the south.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2 View Post
    Yes, 30,000 square miles with a population of only 5,250,000. 70% of whom live in the south.
    The last time I went far North to Cape Wrath there wasn't a day that passed with seeing Humans. Back down South, the great Forests are broken by 12ft Fences designed to keep Deer out. The Forests don't really provide a Habitat for Bears whose only real source of Protein will be the Humans I see everywhere. Wolves are more mobile & able to take down Deer but even they will need their population managing over time. Sheep would seem to be the obvious food source for any large predator & I doubt the Farmers will be happy with that. Even Wild Boar have been mentioned as being released into the wild. While they might favour deciduous woodland they are as equally happy snuffling through Arable land & planted crops. If you have never seen a Boar they are only a bit smaller than a Bear & quite dangerous. As nice as it would be to have large Wild Mammals loose in the Countryside I feel the land of the UK is either to crowded or barren to support them?
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.



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