Using such emotive and inappropriate language, Occupying power, dictatorial, jackboot over an issue such as the colour of tarmac?? Truly Cllr Dawson want s his head nailing to the floor.

Ignoring that a detailed dispatch from the leader of Sefton MBC outlining the council's position and reasoning on the Lord Street resurfacing and an excellent idea re coloured paving chips were published on this website has anyone suggested mixing food colouring into the the asphalt?

It never washes out of my clothes.

Originally Posted by chrismatt.

It was red this morning

I think you were probably standing in the bus lane!

Originally Posted by Polly Trott

I think you were probably standing in the bus lane!

Saturday and it is still red

Originally Posted by sloop-john-b

It was laid approx. early 1950's (1953?) and was laid by a company called Limmer & Trinidad (acquired by Tarmac Roadstones) using a proprietary red mix asphalt to BS594. The same mix was laid on The Mall in London and it was quite a vivid red mix.

I think Lord Street has been resurfaced twice, but for sure the existing red surface bears no semblance to the original red asphalt being much darker.

One system to use (which could appease both sides in this conflagration) would be to lay the new surface in a black asphalt and introduce red pre-coated chippings into the surface. This could be done at a fraction of the cost of a true red asphalt mix.

Incidentally on another thread 'mike1979' suggested that the road outside Bootle Town Hall was laid in red, it was actually a black asphalt with red pre-coated chipping; if it could fool 'mike1979', then there's a fair chance it could fool a lot of others as well.

Trinidad Lake asphalt was far superior to the distillates produced by the oil refinery process, one of the reasons why roads surfaces fail much quicker because they don't have the same properties as natural asphalts.

Cheers for an informative post.

Originally Posted by chrismatt.

Saturday and it is still red

As a lifelong Socialist I know what red looks like and Lord Street isn't.

Looking out the window at the moment and its definitely red

Originally Posted by sloop-john-b

It was laid approx. early 1950's (1953?) and was laid by a company called Limmer & Trinidad (acquired by Tarmac Roadstones) using a proprietary red mix asphalt to BS594. The same mix was laid on The Mall in London and it was quite a vivid red mix.

I think Lord Street has been resurfaced twice, but for sure the existing red surface bears no semblance to the original red asphalt being much darker.

One system to use (which could appease both sides in this conflagration) would be to lay the new surface in a black asphalt and introduce red pre-coated chippings into the surface. This could be done at a fraction of the cost of a true red asphalt mix.

Incidentally on another thread 'mike1979' suggested that the road outside Bootle Town Hall was laid in red, it was actually a black asphalt with red pre-coated chipping; if it could fool 'mike1979', then there's a fair chance it could fool a lot of others as well.

Trinidad Lake asphalt was far superior to the distillates produced by the oil refinery process, one of the reasons why roads surfaces fail much quicker because they don't have the same properties as natural asphalts.

Excellent post! When is was first laid was it not a national trial of anti-skid material?

Originally Posted by chrismatt.

It was red this morning

Did two nice men tell you that only really intelligent people can see that it is red?

Bank Holiday Somewhere In The North West....

"Where should we go today"

"How about a street full of chain pubs and charity shops?"

"Sounds great - but hang on - what colour is the tarmac?"

"Er...black I think"

"Nah. Let's go to Chatsworth House instead"

Originally Posted by Polly Trott

Did two nice men tell you that only really intelligent people can see that it is red?

Polly Trott, you're very rude...why?

When we talk about red tarmac, we're not trying to say its bright primary red as associated with socialism you know!..it's more subtle

Rouge or noir?............. does it really matter one way or the other ?

Whatever the outcome one can rest assured that it will be a rock bottom cheap job by Messrs. Bodgett& Scarper which will only further contribute towards the further steady descent into the mire known as Charity Lane.

One would have thought that this would once again have provided a marvellous photo opportunity for A Certain Person(s ) Who It is Best Not To Name to point at.

Originally Posted by oldduffer

One would have thought that this would once again have provided a marvellous photo opportunity for A Certain Person(s ) Who It is Best Not To Name to point at.

True, but he's been and only visited the beach...

Originally Posted by Seashells&sand

Polly Trott, you're very rude...why?

When we talk about red tarmac, we're not trying to say its bright primary red as associated with socialism you know!..it's more subtle

Fifty Shades of Red perhaps?

Originally Posted by GTXTRA

Excellent post! When is was first laid was it not a national trial of anti-skid material?

Any asphalt if laid on a highway will generally be laid according to British Standards Institute. In this case the material is laid to BS594. Normally pre coated clippings are applied and rolled into the surface as the work progressses, the pre-coated chipping must comply to the relevant standard which will require a specific polished stone value, this will determine that the surface will have anti-skid values.
Lord Street has had additional anti-skid surfaces applied throughout the length of the road primarily before the traffic signals, removing the aesthetic appearance of the road surface's visual appearance.
The trouble with this type ant-skid surface is that it isn't as mechanically stable compared to rolled asphalts, one only has to look at the roundabout at Gravel Lane on the A565 at Banks. The anti-skid surface has now become completely redundant and is probably more slippery than the surface which was deemed to have required an anti-skid surface in the first place.