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Originally Posted by prasnee
Do you actually want to know what your councillors or MP have done, or do you merely want to be boringly aggressive?
If you seriously wanted to know you would logically have approached one or more of them and asked. Is that something you have done?
Incidentally, could you explain what you mean about "what have the Romans ever done for us" being dismissive and irrelevant? Weren't the Romans paid?
Nothing's aggressive about asking a very simple question. Similarly it's not aggressive to ask whether you are a councillor or not as it's quite relevant from what context you are jumping not any anti-lib comment
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Originally Posted by Username2016
Nothing's aggressive about asking a very simple question.
It is aggressive when you keep asking the same question repeatedly when I've told you the obvious solution i.e. simply approach the "electives" as you call them, and ask them.
Why haven't you done that?
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Originally Posted by prasnee
It is aggressive when you keep asking the same question repeatedly when I've told you the obvious solution i.e. simply approach the "electives" as you call them, and ask them.
Why haven't you done that?
As I'm asking you for your opinion and also whether you're a councillor
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Originally Posted by Username2016
As I'm asking you for your opinion and also whether you're a councillor
That's no answer to the question as to whether you have taken the trouble to get in touch your "electives" direct to ask this question that so concerns you.
If you haven't (as I suspect) then why not?
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Originally Posted by prasnee
That's no answer to the question as to whether you have taken the trouble to get in touch your "electives" direct to ask this question that so concerns you.
If you haven't (as I suspect) then why not?
I haven't, but it won't stop me asking you as you persist in defending all things Lib so it's important context whether you are an elective or not. Similarly you must have a view if sue was your best candidate
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Don't you think you should have done?
The fact you haven't suggests you have actually got no interest in finding out, merely that you like asking your boringly aggressive question - as I suggested a while ago.
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Originally Posted by prasnee
Don't you think you should have done?
The fact you haven't suggests you have actually got no interest in finding out, merely that you like asking your boringly aggressive question - as I suggested a while ago.
You're as out of touch with reality as the Libs if you think that's aggressive....but suppose it could be just another avoidance tactic from a yes/no very simple question
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Originally Posted by Username2016
You're as out of touch with reality as the Libs if you think that's aggressive....but suppose it could be just another avoidance tactic from a yes/no very simple question
The repetition in particular is aggressive. But it's not a simple question, is it. Hence my "What have the Romans ever done for us" comment before.
That's why the obvious thing is for you (or anyone else for that matter) to contact your "elective" (as you call them) and have a discussion. Or is that too obvious?
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Originally Posted by prasnee
The repetition in particular is aggressive. But it's not a simple question, is it.
Huh? Are you a councillor "yes or no".....why is that not a simple question, am I missing the complexity of that question?
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No the question you keep repeating and which I tell you you should raise with one or more of your "electives" direct is "What have the Romans (sorry, Lib Dems) ever done for Southport".
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Surprise she managed third with Farron the fool trying to rerun the referendum, like all remoaners they lost badly.
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Originally Posted by Username2016
Surely, those facts are kindly interesting at best. The key facts are:
Despite the mass amount of mail, some of which printed by the Libs own cost efficient printing society:
1) the Libs were well beaten, not narrowly but well beaten, the tactic of "labour can't win here so vote lib" backfired
2) the Libs made a lot about "not being local" although that didn't matter when Cllr Maguire stood for MPin the ribble election and Cllr Dawson in saddleworth
3) the people of southport no longer have confidence in the Libs and have chosen someone else despite the amount of rubbish pushed through letterboxes for the last few weeks
4) the town has declined on the Libs watch and even when they were in coalition no benefit was felt in southport in fact it was worse with "bedroom tax", higher train fares and also the process that's led to the favourite political football of potential "a&e closures
5) despite the Libs saying "keep the nasty tories out", it's impossible to say in the last 20 years that has achieved as even in coalition you voted with them on most things.
You seem to love and come for a debate but you quickly scurry away if asked in what context you comment, I.e. a paid elective or whether you can articulate what exactly the Libs have achieved for southport as your dismissive "what the Romans have done" is irrelevant as we've been paying generous salaries and allowances so it's not an unreasonable ask.
It's a big change for the town but we definitely needed change rather than bitter Libs full of sound bites but not action.
Hi Username 2016, you may find, in particular, the latter stages of the following Forum thread make in parts for a lightly amusing reread, especially in light of recent election results,
[N.B. Because of site issues with accessing provided links (though there is always the excellent 'Search Forum' function to use), I'll bump the first thread (referenced below) onto the lead Forum page (where the other thread I'm referencing below is also currently viewable.]
Councillor gets his facts wrong
http://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southp...52738676-1.htm
(By the way, Username 2016, did you ever receive the apology you requested from prasnee / nasty prasnee?)
The unanswered "prasnee" or "nasty prasnee" poser is sourced in this thread,
Is it true that the Lib Dems have banned men from standing in Southport in June?
http://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southp...55020674-1.htm
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Wow 71 comments to date! LibDums massacred, Labour (non existent entities) 2nd and oh. existing government takes the seat? is a anyone really surprised??
Democracy is the fundamental of British society, if you don't like it, suck it up because it has happened!
Face the choices - Brexit will take 3-4 years to negotiate at ;least we'll have a sing;le Government to deal with it throughout the whole process, a Government which will 'protect' every British citizen irrespective of their faith and an opportunity to recover some of multi-Billions of £'s paiid to the EU in good faith.
You all miss the point. Brexit is the singlemost important issue we face as a unified society. Get used to it..................
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The dums Prasnee et al have to realise that coming third and losing to Asda man from Preston is a pretty dire result.
At national level theirs and the SNP's anti-Brexit argument were soundly beaten, Farron was beaten by a wooden May and a disingenuous Corbyn they need a substantial rethink on their blinkered EU policies and look to embrace the world.
Farron the buffoon needs sending back to the circus and a new leader with a backbone and a global outlook needs appointing.
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Originally Posted by Desert Region
Hi Username 2016, you may find, in particular, the latter stages of the following Forum thread make in parts for a lightly amusing reread, especially in light of recent election results,
[N.B. Because of site issues with accessing provided links (though there is always the excellent 'Search Forum' function to use), I'll bump the first thread (referenced below) onto the lead Forum page (where the other thread I'm referencing below is also currently viewable.]
Councillor gets his facts wrong
http://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southp...52738676-1.htm
(By the way, Username 2016, did you ever receive the apology you requested from prasnee / nasty prasnee?)
The unanswered "prasnee" or "nasty prasnee" poser is sourced in this thread,
Is it true that the Lib Dems have banned men from standing in Southport in June?
http://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southp...55020674-1.htm
No, nothing forthcoming but ultimately from what I understand:
1) prasnee's inability to answer whether they are a councillor or not is probably quite telling. Maybe they think it'll be a negative impact on their campaign or even whether they'd be removed from their position (note that no one denied being Cherie Brandie or others)
http://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/ne...-troll-6599215
2) I'd say prasnee is probably not Cllr Dawson as he has said so and although many negative things I don't believe he's a liar. However is unfair on Cllr Dawson if he's letting people think prasnee is he.
3) there was a story somewhere in which a moderator strongly hinted Cherie Brandie is a councillor(near the bottom)
https://www.goodreads.com/author_blo...view---once-ag
4) Cllr Dawson frequently jumps on threads on the other site to discredit other councillors.
So really in summary my disappointment is that, we pay and elect for people to work together for our best interests not the interests of their parties
1) infighting within southport does not achieve this
2) slamming, blasting and being generally uncooperative does not
3) blaming everyone else rather than taking accountability for their positions does not help (if you were the so called Bootle Labour, you probably could just think why bother as you'll be "slammed" anyway)
4) "calling for" but not calling anyone doesn't achieve anything
5) we pay extra allowances (£4K) for party "leaders", you could say with the behaviours any inability to cooperated is not really great leadership and worth paying extra for.
6) coming on chat rooms and news sites under assumed names not making it clear that they are a member of the council or paid elective is wrong.
7) despite achieving nothing for the town there's still the general arrogance that they are the best choice, if there was such strong evidence then prasnee would be putting it here rather than "it's not my job to"
8) being rude to members of the public who may just have a view on that "the Libs promised to fight for the town but actually have not achieved anything"
Finally, given the split in the party with Cllr Dawson not appearing in any of Sue's pictures could imply he's not happy and it's more about personal gain rather than the party and the town.
I'm sure we will miss the prospect of a tram between ASDA and the pier but we won't miss the meek representation nationally....we just need to sort it at a council level now and get people with clout and Ines that can negotiate/work together.
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