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  1. Published on: 16/05/2018 11:47 AMReported by: roving-eye
    MP Damien Moore is asking residents for their opinion of Southport out of Sefton.




    Today, Im asking for your answers to this question. It is an issue that many of you feel passionate about and in my dealings with Labour-run Sefton Council, I can understand why. Our town doesnt seem to be getting a good deal from them, and residents are suffering. Perhaps we need to change things?

    If you have a spare thirty seconds, please take the survey. Your answers will help shape my plan for Southport.

    https://www.southportsurvey.com/

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  3. Bossnut says:16/05/2018 02:03 PM
    Is this the best policy he has?

    Fail.

  4. Tallboy says:16/05/2018 05:12 PM
    Yes!

  5. Normal says:16/05/2018 05:59 PM
    Will we still have merseyrail trains?
    How much will council tax be in Lancashire?
    How much money compared to sefton will Southport receive?
    Will the quality of the schools be affected?

    More detail is needed before informed decision can be made for the best

  6. Little Londoner says:16/05/2018 06:03 PM
    Considering HIS party took us into Sefton he should be apologising for the last 44 years of decline.

  7. libraryguy says:16/05/2018 06:11 PM
    YES YES YES and the sooner the better.

    Sefton is systematically destroying this town. Don't care what council we're under, but anything is better than Sefton!

  8. MargeSimpson says:16/05/2018 07:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    Considering HIS party took us into Sefton he should be apologising for the last 44 years of decline.
    It most certainly did and now they have even brought back Sir Ron Watson as a councillor, one of those who masterminded our entry into an authority where we would allegedly have more influence in decision making than as a mere district within the area administered by Lancashire County Council. And what influence do we now have - ZILCH!!!
    I must admit, however, that Southport had already suffered many years of neglect under Tory administration before 1st April 1974 when the only thing that mattered to them was General Rates; everything else rotted.
    The very same Sir Ron Watson who voted, together with all the other Tories AND Labour AND LibDems then on Sefton Council, to not add an extra item on the referendum held in Southport some 15 years ago ( relating to Area Committees) that Sefton should request the Boundary Commission for exactly what Damien Moore is on about now. It would not have cost a penny to add the extra item.
    I am passionate about Southport getting out of Sefton to form a unitary authority encompassing some, possibly all, of West Lancashire Borough Council, but I cannot be bothered answering any silly questions about it online.
    We could remain being in Merseytravel area with few problems if so required, merely a change in the constitutions of Merseytravel and Lancashire Travel. The alternative of becoming a member of the Lancashire travel area is none too appealing.

  9. said says:16/05/2018 07:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by libraryguy View Post
    YES YES YES and the sooner the better.

    Sefton is systematically destroying this town. Don't care what council we're under, but anything is better than Sefton!
    Yes, I agree! Out of Sefton! Preferably become an Independent but since this is not economically viable - then Southport should be placed within the Lancashire boundaries. Almost all of Lancashire is far better managed.

  10. Gwhizz says:16/05/2018 07:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Yes, I agree! Out of Sefton! Preferably become an Independent but since this is not economically viable - then Southport should be placed within the Lancashire boundaries. Almost all of Lancashire is far better managed.
    Marvin, as you are from Chester and live there, this really isn't your shout... it has about as much relevance as someone from Southport advocating that Chester become part of Merseyside.

  11. clive764 says:16/05/2018 07:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Normal View Post
    Will we still have merseyrail trains?
    How much will council tax be in Lancashire?
    How much money compared to sefton will Southport receive?
    Will the quality of the schools be affected?

    More detail is needed before informed decision can be made for the best
    Ormskirk and Chester have Merseyrail services, they are not in Merseyside.

    Sefton Council gets a disproportionate amount of its income from the North of the Borough, and seems to reinvest this money in its political strongholds in Sefton, which is not unprecedented as a local government technique in other parts of the country, that has been reported by the national press recently.

    The start of another Project Fear?

  12. Gwhizz says:16/05/2018 08:12 PM
    Ah, Brexit all over again... let's make a decision based on little to no facts. The Tory way... and indeed the local Lib-Dem way, the irony is wonderful - anti-Brexit nationally, little Brexiters locally.

    At least this time we don't get caught up in a democratic nightmare but it could well cost local tax payers a fortune and those who claim easy access to Merseytravel etc are kidding themselves. What basis have they got for saying it will be easy? So we possibly could lose all those cheap fares, concessionary travels passes etc.

    Southport if unitary would be a tiny authority which would mean no economies of scale for services and at a time when govt is increasingly pushing the bill for services on to local tax payers.

    We'd also be hit hard by loss of business rates as currently a huge chunk of that comes from south of the borough via Seaforth docks and we'd also have to find the funds for being a town with one of the biggest percentage of elderly for its population in the country with the huge social care bill that comes with it.

    Lancs seems a worse situation than Sefton so not much point even discussing that.

    If we are expected to make a decision on this... give us the facts this time... instead of just whipping stuff up and hoping people follow lemming like over the cliff again!

    If it can be shown that Southport will be better off and residents will not face a huge hike in council tax bills, ask me then.

  13. Normal says:16/05/2018 08:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Gwhizz View Post
    Ah, Brexit all over again... let's make a decision based on little to no facts. The Tory way... and indeed the local Lib-Dem way, the irony is wonderful - anti-Brexit nationally, little Brexiters locally.

    At least this time we don't get caught up in a democratic nightmare but it could well cost local tax payers a fortune and those who claim easy access to Merseytravel etc are kidding themselves. What basis have they got for saying it will be easy? So we possibly could lose all those cheap fares, concessionary travels passes etc.

    Southport if unitary would be a tiny authority which would mean no economies of scale for services and at a time when govt is increasingly pushing the bill for services on to local tax payers.

    We'd also be hit hard by loss of business rates as currently a huge chunk of that comes from south of the borough via Seaforth docks and we'd also have to find the funds for being a town with one of the biggest percentage of elderly for its population in the country with the huge social care bill that comes with it.

    Lancs seems a worse situation than Sefton so not much point even discussing that.

    If we are expected to make a decision on this... give us the facts this time... instead of just whipping stuff up and hoping people follow lemming like over the cliff again!

    If it can be shown that Southport will be better off and residents will not face a huge hike in council tax bills, ask me then.
    Agreed. Facts are needed

  14. clive764 says:16/05/2018 08:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Gwhizz View Post

    At least this time we don't get caught up in a democratic nightmare but it could well cost local tax payers a fortune and those who claim easy access to Merseytravel etc are kidding themselves. What basis have they got for saying it will be easy? So we possibly could lose all those cheap fares, concessionary travels passes etc.
    Ormskirk and Chester are not in Merseyside and have access to Merseytravel/Merseyrail and associated fares, so why not Southport?

    Sefton Council would be much worse off without the various income streams from Southport, so those Sefton Council supporters will rubbish any attempt at change.

  15. Cookie17 says:16/05/2018 09:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by clive764 View Post
    Ormskirk and Chester are not in Merseyside and have access to Merseytravel/Merseyrail and associated fares, so why not Southport?
    Fares may be the same, but Ormskirk and Chester do not get the Merseytravel concessionary passes, so we would lose out there, I'm afraid.

    I don't see any evidence that the Tory/Lib Dem majority council we have at the mo would do any better than Sefton Labour.

    If we joined West Lancs, wouldn't we be in the same position as we are now? Isn't West Lancs a Labour majority? And if we went it alone as a town council, the council tax would skyrocket to cover all the local social care needs with all the elderly. Either that, or the elderly would lose out big time, as we would probably lose the SMI (Severe Mental Impairment) disregard for free council tax that people with dementia can currently claim from Sefton.

    Let's not knock the current situation before we know the full facts about whether we really would be better off under anything else.

  16. Gwhizz says:16/05/2018 11:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by clive764 View Post
    Ormskirk and Chester are not in Merseyside and have access to Merseytravel/Merseyrail and associated fares, so why not Southport?

    Sefton Council would be much worse off without the various income streams from Southport, so those Sefton Council supporters will rubbish any attempt at change.
    This gets said a lot but what figures are EVER produced to back it up?

    What is known is that we have a very high elderly population and social care is a huge chunk of the local authority budget, ergo we would get an even higher portion of our bill related to it if we went out on our own.
    Also we would lose the benefit of business rates from the south and Seaforth docks brings in a big slice currently at a time when Tories are pushing the business rate retention model to reduce core central funding... those two things alone would have a massive impact.
    Nevermind the lack of economies of scale, set up costs for sorting out the 1300 or so duties of a unitary authority etc etc etc... all that and more is why we need proper costings and facts - not just people pushing this for their own political agenda without us actually KNOWING if it's good for the town and its residents, or not.


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