Originally Posted by Ceam

The rise is inline with just about every other council. Left, right or middling.

I agree with you on this, unfortunately too many Mail readers believe the rubbish they read.

Originally Posted by hja

It’s a well known fact where there are financial problems Labour don’t solve them they make them worse, look at Mr Blair and company, total imcompetants.

BULLSH*T is that why they won THREE terms. The problem is IDIOTS like you who believe anything uttered by a Tory LIAR.

Pray TELL US how the Tories have solved the financial problems, BY BORROWING MORE THAN LABOUR EVER BORROWED Clown.

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

BULLSH*T is that why they won THREE terms. The problem is IDIOTS like you who believe anything uttered by a Tory LIAR.

Pray TELL US how the Tories have solved the financial problems, BY BORROWING MORE THAN LABOUR EVER BORROWED Clown.

And I suppose we are to believe anything said by a Labour liar?? Touche!

As for what has been borrowed I will agree, from a BBC article Bank of England figures, that in cash terms if you add up all the years of a Labour government they have borrowed £500 billion while the Tories since 2010 have borrowed £670 billion.

But taking into account GDP and this from the BBC article:-

"During the first Labour government under Ramsay MacDonald in 1924, a loaf of bread cost less than 2d on average. Also, our economy produces very considerably more today than it did in 1924, which means it is not unreasonable for the government to borrow more.

So a better comparison to make is government borrowing as a proportion of GDP, which is a measure of everything produced in the economy.

By that measure it turns out that all Labour governments borrowed about 70% of GDP while the governments since 2010 borrowed about 40% of GDP, which is a very different picture.

So depends which way you cut your cloth.

Really i take it thats a joke as he borrowed so much we are still paying for it

Originally Posted by local

Gordon Brown was a very competent Chancellor and a fairly useless leader.


If you want financial incompetence I am afraid the record is clear its the Conservatives, they always borrow more and cut without thinking.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2...last-70-years/

Jezzers sheep ,,

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

BULLSH*T is that why they won THREE terms. The problem is IDIOTS like you who believe anything uttered by a Tory LIAR.

Pray TELL US how the Tories have solved the financial problems, BY BORROWING MORE THAN LABOUR EVER BORROWED Clown.

Originally Posted by nosobored

Really i take it thats a joke as he borrowed so much we are still paying for it

OK, sure Gordon Brown borrowed a lot of money as a result of the financial crash, a crash caused by the financiers and bankers, now the alternative to borrowing and propping up the country was to let the banks crash, now just imagine if every one in the UK who has a bank account found their money tied up or gone, that neither bills nor wages would be paid, when in reality the majority of business' and the general public would be bankrupt, borrow or not to borrow? your call.

Originally Posted by Ceam

LOL, twice the rate of inflation. When was the last time they where allowed to increase council tax.



https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ncial-disaster


Get a grip on reality.

No you and Sefton need to get a grip on reality! The cupboard is 'bare' all caused by irresponsible socialists (Blair / Brown), meanwhile "the pigs who are more equal than us" continue to behave in an unrealstic irresponsible manner a.ka. buying commercial property, being major shareholders in commercial concerns whilst whinging about their budgets and burdening hard-pressed Council tax payers on fixed incomes with disproportionate tax increases - totally irresponsible behaviour.....

Across the bored not bad, we got to look after our elderly town folk. We all get old.

Originally Posted by Tallboy

No you and Sefton need to get a grip on reality! The cupboard is 'bare' all caused by irresponsible socialists (Blair / Brown), meanwhile "the pigs who are more equal than us" continue to behave in an unrealstic irresponsible manner a.ka. buying commercial property, being major shareholders in commercial concerns whilst whinging about their budgets and burdening hard-pressed Council tax payers on fixed incomes with disproportionate tax increases - totally irresponsible behaviour.....

And the reality is..... this year, FY 2018,

1: Total public revenue is budgeted at £744.2 billion.
2: Total spending Central Government £638 billion
Local Authority £176 billion
Total Spending £814 billion

3: Deficit £-69.8 Billion with interest another £100 Billion added to the National Debt

So we are still living beyond our means "too" much expenditure "too" little tax revenue. Unless the economy grows, business is encouraged by whatever way enterprise, free market etc etc...... We are just going to get deeper and deeper into the mire.

"Sefton has an excellent track record for listening to its communities....." Yes, but that is as far as it gets! What about parking facilities, what about calling a halt to the trees being cut down, what about conserving our nature reserves, what about conserving our public Parks, etc., etc., or is it a matter of pay up and shut up!

Originally Posted by Tallboy

No you and Sefton need to get a grip on reality! The cupboard is 'bare' all caused by irresponsible socialists (Blair / Brown), meanwhile "the pigs who are more equal than us" continue to behave in an unrealstic irresponsible manner a.ka. buying commercial property, being major shareholders in commercial concerns whilst whinging about their budgets and burdening hard-pressed Council tax payers on fixed incomes with disproportionate tax increases - totally irresponsible behaviour.....

Just a query? Much of Sefton's money goes to the Liverpool joint Council...an issue was reported this week of unfinished development work in the City?? Yet another contractor has gone bust and Chinese investors have forced another to go into liquidation as a means to get some return on their money. There is also some mention of contractor's being given new cars by the Council?? Anyone know anything about this issue? Does this mean that even more money is being totally wasted?

for the past 20 30 years sweet F a has been done around here , the drains are still blocked , the road system is poor , no facilities ....

yet there is money to buy and do up a minging old market that no one goes to and other such grand schemes ....

the money should be spent of basics , not flittered away on projects ..

perhaps we need a riot !

Originally Posted by said

Just a query? Much of Sefton's money goes to the Liverpool joint Council...an issue was reported this week of unfinished development work in the City?? Yet another contractor has gone bust and Chinese investors have forced another to go into liquidation as a means to get some return on their money. There is also some mention of contractor's being given new cars by the Council?? Anyone know anything about this issue? Does this mean that even more money is being totally wasted?

Sounds like fake news where the money goes, however as for Chinese investment, they invest in every country they effectively own the entire iron ore rights in Australia. The investment in the UK is just a sign of the times right or wrong?? But remember England once owned much of the world 150 years ago now the boots on the other foot.

Originally Posted by local

Gordon Brown was a very competent Chancellor and a fairly useless leader.


If you want financial incompetence I am afraid the record is clear its the Conservatives, they always borrow more and cut without thinking.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2...last-70-years/

Brown a competent Chancellor? He is probably the worst Politician this Country has had the misfortune to be saddled with......EVER!!

Originally Posted by justbecause

Brown a competent Chancellor? He is probably the worst Politician this Country has had the misfortune to be saddled with......EVER!!

Not the only one but what Brown did with Tax changes hammered nails not just one but many into the coffins of "Final Salary Pension Schemes" was paramount to illegal.

Quote from FT "Final salary schemes which are today closed to new members would otherwise have still been going had Mr Brown not dipped into their coffers"

Subsequently Governments having to buy out schemes Royal Mail and others being closed down.

He should be in court, just as bad as Philip Green etc etc, but Brown has got away with it as well.