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    Quote Originally Posted by Advanced
    who on earth is Charpentier?

    French for frame

    the maker of the frame Charpentier.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Advanced
    £2,000 - £5,000 !!

    I don't even recognise, the artist do you, who on earth is Charpentier?

    Jean-Baptiste Charpentier 1728-1806

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tua
    Jean-Baptiste Charpentier 1728-1806
    It may be as, he is quite well known for painting scenes with dogs in, however if painted by him, it would imply it is definitely over 200 years old maybe even 250, from the back of the canvas it looked lucky to be 10 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theantiquesman
    French for frame

    the maker of the frame Charpentier.
    charpente = frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Advanced
    It may be as, he is quite well known for painting scenes with dogs in, however if painted by him, it would imply it is definitely over 200 years old maybe even 250, from the back of the canvas it looked lucky to be 10 years old.

    Dogs yes ... and ladies such as those in the painting.
    Jean-Baptiste Charpentier is one of the artists who 'inspires' the Chinese very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tua
    Dogs yes ... and ladies such as those in the painting.
    Jean-Baptiste Charpentier is one of the artists who 'inspires' the Chinese very much
    Pleasant way of putting it I suppose, more like highly obvious, he will attract more mimics of his work, due to the commercial subject, antiques is all about opinions, and in my opinion, it was a blantent copy, the back of the canvas had no age, and the frame looked modern, I can appreciate it may be relined, however gut instinct would be is it was a copy, so £2,000 - £5,000, would be very irrational to pay for what looked to turned off the conveyor belt, now that is the real deal.

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    You're absolutely right ... it HAS to be a copy.
    But if somebody likes it, and wants to own it as an object d'art in its own right, they might be prepared to fork out (although a 4-figure sum is a rather OTT!)

    The cheeky/naughty thing of course, is adding Charpntier's signature!

    A curious aspect of the Art World: ridiculously wealthy punters (such as Madonna - the warbling, gyrating 50-year-old) pay £squillians for paintings ... have 'good' copies made ... stash the originals in a bank vault ... hang the copies on their walls.

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    Tua
    hang the copies on their walls.
    That is what a lot of people who collect J.L.Isherwood painting have ended up doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanman
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    That is what a lot of people who collect J.L.Isherwood painting have ended up doing.

    Amazing really ... It was only a couple of years ago that a plethera of Isherwood's works were available for next-to-nothing at the 'cheap as chips' Eastbank Street auction-house.

    I picked up a Harold Riley print for £10 there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tua
    Amazing really ... It was only a couple of years ago that a plethera of Isherwood's works were available for next-to-nothing at the 'cheap as chips' Eastbank Street auction-house.

    I picked up a Harold Riley print for £10 there!
    I have been at an auction when Isherwood's where selling between £5,000 and £8,000

    The most I paid I think was £1800.

    They have dropped a little now.

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    There were a couple of small Isherwoods featured on a Dickenson's Real Deal prog (daytime TV viewing ... what can I say?! ) which took The Tanned One completely by surprise when they went under the hammer ... he'd never even heard of Isherwood (I guess it's a Northen phenomena?)

    Note to Advanced: there's a 4/100 Riley lithograph on ebay at the moment!


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