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i have been told by another well known antique "so called specialist" that my antique map of ireland is worth about £40...maybe true but you just dont know who to talk to these days.......
dont understand what you mean by a chain of posters, its coming from northern ireland which is still the u.k, i could send it special delivery, or i could send it with parcelforce,, either way it will be wrapped well in bubble wrap....do you have any ideas...?
then you can look at it and make a judgment whether its good enough for your client....
1st. the price
2nd the painting if an oil has to be sandwiched between two pieces of thin hard board.
3rd make sure the painting is wrapped in brown paper, acid free is best so when it is thrown around by parcel force the paint does not fall off the canvas.
4th. make sure that the corners are reinforced.
5. fragile labels
by the way poster chain... meant if a poster was going to North Wales from Ireland and another was going from N. Wales to Chester. I could drive to Chester to pick it up.
so if i send it to the address at the top of your page,,,
with the corners reinforced, covered in brown paper (the stuff for covering the back of paintings),and sandwiched between two layers of hard board, attach fragile labels,,,along with a covering letter...then you are willing to go ahead...?
I cannot ask some one to buy something from you with out knowing the amount you want in your hands.
Remember if I sell an item that costs £100 and I sell it in my business for £100, no profit is made and it is not sold on the VAT Special Scheme. The customs and excise people want 15% off me = £15
All the people who sell on eBay one day the governments of the world will press a button and remove out of their bank accounts all the money owed to them
Remember my early suggestion ...take it to a reputable auction house to make sure it is an oil painting.
i know how it works , i used to own an antique shop,,i understand you will have to make something on the deal because after all i dont pay the bills on your shop,,,
the postage is £12 with parcel force....the packaging costs will be about £10,
i would accept £350 in my hands for the item but you will be looking for a percentage you would need to add this onto the price also...its definatly an oil painting...
i can get the ball rolling if you would do me the service...
on the other hand you seem a bit hesitant,,,if you are not completely happy with the situation just let me know i can have it listed on ebay by 12 o.clock.....
john there are no reputable auction houses in northern ireland, trust me , i took it to the biggest auction house in northern ireland already and they told me its a 19th century oil painting and has a value of £25...they also told me my antique engraved map of antrim in ireland was worth £40......
i know auction values are lower than retail values but thats just taking the p*#s!!
Last edited by briana5125; 27/09/2009 at 08:12 AM.
john do you understand the restoration needed to the piece,,??the varnish has cracked and gone brown with age ( quite easy to fix) and there is a deep scar to the left leg of jesus as you can see on the picture ( it would be restorable but at what cost) ???
Hi briana and hello again the painting arrived well packed and safe.
It is one of the 14 stations of the cross.
Number 8
the 8th station I think.
Jesus meets the Woman of Jerusalem.
well its a religious painting as you can see,very dirty, the medium looks to be somewhere in between oil and watercolour, maybe acrylic?,,,,,unsigned,,,,,but very good quality, it needs a little bit of restoration.....
It is very dirty that is no problem.
in between an oil and a water colour is the problem .
Looks like an oilograph stuck on to a canvas and then tinted with oil paint, quite usual in the Victorian period to do this to keep costs down for a church. I think this is the reason why all the edges have worn off.
but very good quality
It is in fact very poor quality and needs a lot of restoration.
The complete back ground of the painting around where the frame was, has no paint at all. Even if it was an oil painting it would have been copied over a printed sketch.
the interesting thing about the picture is as most oil based paintings mounted onto a wooden structure to keep it wrinkling up but this picture has a nickel back to it ( a full sheet of nickel covering the whole back of the painting and is nailed on by old style nails) 9 the nails look hand made)
The reason for the tin back is to keep the damp from the church wall getting at the painting. The carpet tacks do not look too old may be the tin was put on to stop the viewer from seeing the back.
i would say by looking at it its maybe 200 years old...
can anyone help with an age, artist???(wishful thinking) and a value .....many thanks...
Circa Late 1800....... if it was older you would have had wedges to keep the frame square.
The artist ...... It is a copy of a famous painting by a master painted in the 1600s or early 1700s then the copy is mass produced for the Churches. It is sold from a catalog and the Roman Catholic Church would have bought the set of 14 Stations of the Cross this Way.
but if the painting is what it seems, then it might cost £60 to repair then it might be worth a lot more
but i suppose if i was more experienced i might be a bit higher in the food chain..lol
If it was an oil painting worth restoring. To restore it properly (and not by a student). Would cost £20 an inch for background and £50 an inch for main parts of the painting and £100 an inch for face etc About £125 per hour.
My customer was annoyed about the misrepresenting of the quality of the painting.
Buy I put him him in his place by saying all we had to go on was the opinion of my apprentice.
Remember the antique trade is only opinions and good and bad buys.
This is one of those painting you see at the end of an auction and the auctioneer is happy just to sell it to the first hand up... if any hand goes up.
Do I see £30....................
What an interesting experience this has been.
Don't feel disappointed.
no not really dissapointed john,i am a little annoyed for wasting your time, appologies to your client john,,just shows i have alot to learn,,,but thanks to you i am going in the right direction,,,,i do appologise again but roseby's auction house in london said its worth between £400-£600, and the auction house in belfast said its worth between £40-£50 but they told me its definatly an oil painting ,,,this was the reason i sent it to you because two auctioneers said it was an oil and it looked like an oil to me..
please can i leave it with you untill tuesday then i will have it picked up again ,,there is no need for you redirect it or anything ,parcel force will bring there own labels.....
appologies again,,,but i am learning more in the last three weeks about antiques than i have learnt by talking with dealers over the past 6 years...
p.s when i was talking about the quality of the painting i was talking about the quality of the work...not the condition..
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