Global Climate Strike

[Toodles McGinty]

I think the Ramada one is underneath,

Of course. I forgot about that bit.

I remember a good few years ago an article on the NW news about a bloke who had a Ford Anglia runing on water, I think he was from Birkdale, the rumour was after that that BP had bought him out.

There are trains that basically run on water. Well, hydrogen. And emit harmless steam or water droplets. Sounds brilliant in principal, but whether or not it could be scaled down for cars, I haven't a clue.

Sounds good, though.

[local]

I remember a good few years ago an article on the NW news about a bloke who had a Ford Anglia runing on water, I think he was from Birkdale, the rumour was after that that BP had bought him out.

I used to run my Bus on rumours I got from the internet but google shut me down.
So I lent it to Elvis and the bistard left it on the moon after a night out with a yeti and a gay stripper called Bert.

[Toodles McGinty]

I used to run my Bus on rumours I got from the internet but google shut me down.
So I lent it to Elvis and the bistard left it on the moon after a night out with a yeti and a gay stripper called Bert.

You should have driven your bus to Germany to see the water powered trains, maybe.

[local]

If only, it will rely on another source of energy.

[local]

Hydrogen is an energy carrier not a source

[Toodles McGinty]

Hydrogen is an energy carrier not a source

'Shell' seem to think they can power cars on hydrogen.

I assume we have an almost unlimited amount of hydrogen if it can be efficiently extracted from water, so perhaps it is a fuel for the future.

[seivad]

Of course. I forgot about that bit.



There are trains that basically run on water. Well, hydrogen. And emit harmless steam or water droplets. Sounds brilliant in principal, but whether or not it could be scaled down for cars, I haven't a clue.

Sounds good, though.

Hydrogen fuel cell cars went on the market here this year. I don't know how well they're selling, or how many hydrogen stations there are. I had a quick look at the pricing, and they are expensive. For around the equivalent of £25k, we could buy an electric vehicle with an estimated driving range of 400k. A hydrogen car would cost about 45k. We won't be buying one any time soon!

California, ever the ground breaker when it comes to environmental initiatives, introduced them in 2015. They also have hydrogen fuel cell buses. There you go, Local

[Alikado]

'Shell' seem to think they can power cars on hydrogen.

I assume we have an almost unlimited amount of hydrogen if it can be efficiently extracted from water, so perhaps it is a fuel for the future.

The R101 was full of hydrogen but that didn't end too well.

[local]

Hydrogen fuel cell cars went on the market here this year. I don't know how well they're selling, or how many hydrogen stations there are. I had a quick look at the pricing, and they are expensive. For around the equivalent of £25k, we could buy an electric vehicle with an estimated driving range of 400k. A hydrogen car would cost about 45k. We won't be buying one any time soon!

California, ever the ground breaker when it comes to environmental initiatives, introduced them in 2015. They also have hydrogen fuel cell buses. There you go, Local

As I said Hydrogen is not a fuel source;

http://needtoknow.nas.edu/energy/ene...en-fuel-cells/

It explains it far better than me.

Its like saying a clockwork motor is a great source of energy.

[seivad]

As I said Hydrogen is not a fuel source;

http://needtoknow.nas.edu/energy/ene...en-fuel-cells/

It explains it far better than me.

Its like saying a clockwork motor is a great source of energy.

I know, my husband advised me of that a while back. He also told me that electricity is a secondary source of energy. What would I do without him?

I called them "hydrogen fuel cell cars" as that seems to be the name that's generally used when marketing them. In future I will omit the reference to "hydrogen" when referring to them. Just plain old "fuel cell cars" from now on in.

BTW, after reading Alikado's comment about the R101, perhaps you'd better hold off on driving a fuel cell bus. We may have our disagreements, but I wouldn't want you to end your days as a crispy critter.

[local]

Don't worry about me I'm off to do Karaoke with Elvis.

Despite its critics the good old ICE has served us well and the newer ones are extraordinarily clean, if I look up my exhaust pipes on a very dull day they look like new inside.

Still it's time to move on and clean up our act.

Some of my taxes spent buying up and scrapping the old tech smokers is a good start.

Removing the VAT on insulation products is also a good start.

We need a relentless programme to clean up our patch.

[The PNP]

For someone who pedals forest destroying, lung clogging, super polluting stoves I thought you might keep your head down on such a thread.

Well, pedal is fine by me - whenever on the bike!

You've got modern woodburning stoves wrong though.....Ours are Defra approved, and over 80% efficient. They produce so little soot, they can confidently be used in all smoke-control areas (smokeless zones) across UK, with local Councils blessing.

Imo the best investment you can make would be a boiler stove, to run your radiators and provide hot water. No need to chuck out the old gas boiler either - simply leave it plumbed in to your heating system as a backup. Such a pity that so many households are stuck in the past with only fossil-fuelled (gas) central heating and other planet-warming appliances reliant on non-renewable fuels.

[local]

No not wrong completely right,

they are,

forest destroying.

lung clogging.

and super polluting.

The most important activity that contributes to particulate pollution is the burning of fuels such as wood and coal in open fires and domestic stoves.


They only achieve their theoretical but poor 80% efficiency when operating at optimal temperatures with optimal fuel.

Just to work they need to destroy our forests and wildlife habitats.


The reality of their operation is people burn highly polluted scrap "wet" wood bringing misery to their neighbours.

Who monitors their emissions ?

How is maintenance controlled ?

[Little Londoner]

The reality of their operation is people burn highly polluted scrap "wet" wood bringing misery to their neighbours.

Yes one near me they have all sorts of wood, pallets and anything they can get their hands on. If the wind is favourable you get up to a lovely layer of ash on your window ledges/car and anything else that is motionless outside. If I went round emptying our vacuum cleaner on peoples homes and cars I would soon be in court.

[seivad]

Yes one near me they have all sorts of wood, pallets and anything they can get their hands on. If the wind is favourable you get up to a lovely layer of ash on your window ledges/car and anything else that is motionless outside. If I went round emptying our vacuum cleaner on peoples homes and cars I would soon be in court.

And therein lies one of the problems. Wood stoves are tested under ideal conditions... burning kiln dried wood at optimal temperatures etc. In reality, people use any old free wood they can get their hands on. Wet, and sometimes treated wood. How you store your wood matters too. Britain gets a lot of rain. Even if you buy kiln dried wood, its moisture content increases out in the woodpile.

I'm all for environmental initiatives, however certification is a crock. As with most things, conditions in the real world are not the same as in a laboratory. And, as is the case with most things, stoves degrade over time. Apparently after 5 years of use, you might as well be open burning.

People can kid themselves that burning wood is the answer. Or that forests are not being destroyed. The reality is that old growth forests are being destroyed. Fact.