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I have little doubt Chauvin caused harm, my point is he was emotionally detached from the situation, i would go so far as to say bored.
Another day another battle another arrest.
That is the day-to-day reality for Police Officers clearing up society's problems and when it goes wrong they are hung up to dry in Public.
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local
I have little doubt Chauvin caused harm, my point is he was emotionally detached from the situation, i would go so far as to say bored.
Another day another battle another arrest.
That is the day-to-day reality for Police Officers clearing up society's problems and when it goes wrong they are hung up to dry in Public.
True - but heaven help us all if they were all armed.
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Prosecution closing now. Very convincing.
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Hector
Prosecution closing now. Very convincing.
Now the defence closing argument. Maybe even more persuasive. It's going to be close.
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Great news!
Derek Chauvin guilty.
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How will this now affect law enforcement behaviour? And willingness to become a police officer.
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For those that do not understand the difference between right and wrong
do not put them on the payroll.
For those who get high on power over other human beings remind them they are not above the law.
Recruitment I hope will increase.
The worst thing possible would be a police force not diverse in culture for the public it serves.
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For those that do not understand the difference between right and wrong
do not put them on the payroll.
For those who get high on power over other human beings remind them they are not above the law.
Recruitment I hope will increase.
The worst thing possible would be a police force not diverse in culture for the public it serves.
They have a long long way to go to get anywhere near a decent police force. Diversity will help a bit but not as much as you might think... there are already plenty of black officers. It's the culture that needs to change and that only comes through better recruitment (ie not gun nuts/white supremacists who seem to be drawn to the police force). There was a black ex policewoman on the telly today who had intervened to stop a colleague who had a prisoner in a choke hold. She was disciplined and eventually fired and lost her pension.
Also they need much longer and better training. It's only months not years at the moment and actual consequences when they break the rules not letting themmove to another district.
I doubt there is the will in the force to do all of this.
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Having had the misfortune to visit some very horrible parts of America trying to transfer our values to a society hooked on guns and greed is a no hoper.
The battles on the streets are backdropped with guns and drugs.
Restraint based on consensus and agreement is just not realistic.
A Police Officer who fails to get and keep the upper hand is likely to die.
I wouldn't want to be there full stop.
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Originally Posted by
local
I have little doubt Chauvin caused harm, my point is he was emotionally detached from the situation, i would go so far as to say bored.
Another day another battle another arrest.
That is the day-to-day reality for Police Officers clearing up society's problems and when it goes wrong they are hung up to dry in Public.
As I hinted at earlier, you are providing a particularly interesting perspective on Chauvin's behaviour.
Isn"t such detachment a feature of sociopaths and, or psychopaths? If that is the answer, the officer's lawyers didn't construct the right defence.
But, as you also say, it might be that he had had to deal with drugged up petty criminals so routinely that he just went through the motions.
And if Floyd was just a drugged up petty criminal, what kind of world do the police now have to deal with when he has been turned into an icon with a square named after him?
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Hector
..........And if Floyd was just a drugged up petty criminal, what kind of world do the police now have to deal with when he has been turned into an icon with a square named after him?
And what kind of world do we live in when drugged up petty criminals are routinely murdered by law enforcement instead of being dealt with appropriately based solely on the colour of their skin?
Drugged up petty criminals are not a problem that’s exclusive to America.
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And what kind of world do we live in when drugged up petty criminals are routinely murdered by law enforcement instead of being dealt with appropriately based solely on the colour of their skin?
Drugged up petty criminals are not a problem that’s exclusive to America.
Was Chavin ever tested for the the presence of drugs in his system?
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Black and ethnic criminals are always going to be treated more harshly by the US police in the system as it stands.
The poor and disadvantaged living in sections and areas even the Black and ethnic officers look on as failures in society.
Wary law enforcement with guns-what could be more dangerous?
I fear the unpopular answer is a change has to come from both sides.
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Alikado
Was Chavin ever tested for the the presence of drugs in his system?
That's a very good question. Legally prescribed psychoactive meds can obviously influence actions and reactions.
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Hamble
Black and ethnic criminals are always going to be treated more harshly by the US police in the system as it stands.
The poor and disadvantaged living in sections and areas even the Black and ethnic officers look on as failures in society.
Wary law enforcement with guns-what could be more dangerous?
I fear the unpopular answer is a change has to come from both sides.
Not just by the police, the whole justice system is skewed. Just look at how disproportionate the numbers are on death row for black prisoners awaiting execution.
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