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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    It was so busy on the coastal stretch we pedalled on.
    Lovely to see children out enjoying the weather.
    Lol - hope you have a valid street-traders license for whatever you were peddling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    No need to, it is what it is - the not unfamiliar result of an infrastructure that throws bikes in with motor traffic.


    I wish you would stop pedalling rubbish it gives us real cyclists a bad name.

    The only person who "throws" bikes in with motor traffic is the rider, us real-world cyclists, and this particular one was wrong.

    Many road users would like their own personal lanes from motorcyclists to drivers of small cars up to articulated truck drivers who have to manoeuvre around the idiots who do not know how to use the roads.


    Most of us have the sense to realise that a small minority should not expect the rest of society to take money from scarce resources when it would be better if we learn't to ride within our capabilities and not annoy everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Most of us have the sense to realise that a small minority should not expect the rest of society to take money from scarce resources when it would be better if we learnt to ride within our capabilities and not annoy everyone.
    Maybe the real question we should be asking, is why bike-users have become such a small minority?

    Pre-war and well into the '50's, bikes were always a popular form of transport. With motor traffic mushrooming in the '60's and beyond, riding a bike on-road became a much riskier and therefore less popular way of getting from A to B.

    The cut-and-thrust road environment a rider finds him/herself in nowadays, is enough to put all but the bravest off. Meanwhile, CO2 levels continue upwards unabated.....What price the planet, compared to the modest cost of providing quality safe cycle paths, to bring car-use down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Maybe the real question we should be asking, is why bike-users have become such a small minority?

    Pre-war and well into the '50's, bikes were always a popular form of transport. With motor traffic mushrooming in the '60's and beyond, riding a bike on-road became a much riskier and therefore less popular way of getting from A to B.

    The cut-and-thrust road environment a rider finds him/herself in nowadays, is enough to put all but the bravest off. Meanwhile, CO2 levels continue upwards unabated.....What price the planet, compared to the modest cost of providing quality safe cycle paths, to bring car-use down?
    You're not going to bring car use down, you'll just push it away form the centre of Southport and the town will die.

    But you're too blinkered in your views to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Maybe the real question we should be asking, is why bike-users have become such a small minority?

    Pre-war and well into the '50's, bikes were always a popular form of transport. With motor traffic mushrooming in the '60's and beyond, riding a bike on-road became a much riskier and therefore less popular way of getting from A to B.

    The cut-and-thrust road environment a rider finds him/herself in nowadays, is enough to put all but the bravest off. Meanwhile, CO2 levels continue upwards unabated.....What price the planet, compared to the modest cost of providing quality safe cycle paths, to bring car-use down?
    Cars were fewer on the roads at that time, because most could not afford them, whether you like it or not private, motorised transport opened up access to more jobs for workers.

    Alternatively do you want to return to the days when everyone walked to the local mill or coal mine? because workers had no other option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    Cars were fewer on the roads at that time, because most could not afford them, whether you like it or not private, motorised transport opened up access to more jobs for workers.

    Alternatively do you want to return to the days when everyone walked to the local mill or coal mine? because workers had no other option.
    Motor traffic will never return to a pre-sixties level. In fact, if nothing is done to mitigate it, I would expect levels to continue increasing....Which is why providing a safe alternative to the car is now so essential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Motor traffic will never return to a pre-sixties level. In fact, if nothing is done to mitigate it, I would expect levels to continue increasing....Which is why providing a safe alternative to the car is now so essential.
    The bike is not an alternative, nor never will be, better, cheaper public transport should help, producing cleaner power plants is the other route, the bike will remain what it is now, for most leisure and pleasure use, for a limited number travel to work, end of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    The bike is not an alternative, nor never will be, better, cheaper public transport should help, producing cleaner power plants is the other route, the bike will remain what it is now, for most leisure and pleasure use, for a limited number travel to work, end of.
    Disagree, just take a look at London for rising popularity of biking it into work....You can't keep on filling up towns and cities with ever more cars, or congestion will reduce traffic to a slow crawl and ultimately complete gridlock. That's no good for suppliers unable to deliver stock to businesses and a nightmare for emergency services.

    Congestion charging, zero-emission zones and ultimately a total ban on non-essential traffic are either already here, or on the way at a growing number of town/city locations. I would argue that parking beyond these zones and cycling/scooting on to final destination, is an agreeable and healthy alternative to walking or packing onto a stuffy overcrowded bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Disagree, just take a look at London for rising popularity of biking it into work....You can't keep on filling up towns and cities with ever more cars, or congestion will reduce traffic to a slow crawl and ultimately complete gridlock. That's no good for suppliers unable to deliver stock to businesses and a nightmare for emergency services.

    Congestion charging, zero-emission zones and ultimately a total ban on non-essential traffic are either already here, or on the way at a growing number of town/city locations. I would argue that parking beyond these zones and cycling/scooting on to final destination, is an agreeable and healthy alternative to walking or packing onto a stuffy overcrowded bus.
    No, much better to cause congestion and gridlock by narrowing roads to make way for cycle lanes for non existent cyclists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Disagree, just take a look at London for rising popularity of biking it into work....You can't keep on filling up towns and cities with ever more cars, or congestion will reduce traffic to a slow crawl and ultimately complete gridlock. That's no good for suppliers unable to deliver stock to businesses and a nightmare for emergency services.

    Congestion charging, zero-emission zones and ultimately a total ban on non-essential traffic are either already here, or on the way at a growing number of town/city locations. I would argue that parking beyond these zones and cycling/scooting on to final destination, is an agreeable and healthy alternative to walking or packing onto a stuffy overcrowded bus.
    You're comparing over populated, crowded city centres with the more normal small towns etc, I'm well aware that many for instance, cycle to the railway station, dump the bike and take a train, these people wouldn't dream of cycling the whole journey, which is the opposite of your dream of out of town carparks, then everyone takes a bike to complete the journey.

    Plus of course bikes are suitable for one person transport, useless for anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    A) You're comparing over populated, crowded city centres with the more normal small towns etc,

    B) I'm well aware that many for instance, cycle to the railway station, dump the bike and take a train, these people wouldn't dream of cycling the whole journey, which is the opposite of your dream of out of town carparks, then everyone takes a bike to complete the journey.

    C) Plus of course bikes are suitable for one person transport, useless for anything else.
    A) I think you'll find bikes in use right across London for example, not just in its city-centre.

    B) Made possible by provision of secure undercover bike storage, a good example of 'build it and they will come'. Btw, when I lived in the town centre, I'd always take my bike onto the train and use it when I alighted, to complete my journey.

    C) Where more than one person is travelling, obviously they will use more than one bike. And not every journey involves carrying large loads. Train commuters usually carry only a briefcase, bag, or small rucksack - easily carried on back of a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    No, much better to cause congestion and gridlock by narrowing roads to make way for cycle lanes for non existent cyclists.
    I note this morning (BBC News) Grant Shapps announcing an important update to the Highway Code......He said cyclists riding straight on at junctions now legally have priority. In other words, cars turning left into side roads will be required to wait for cycle traffic on a drivers nearside to clear, before turning left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    I note this morning (BBC News) Grant Shapps announcing an important update to the Highway Code......He said cyclists riding straight on at junctions now legally have priority. In other words, cars turning left into side roads will be required to wait for cycle traffic on a drivers nearside to clear, before turning left.
    As a driver to me that is simply good driving and common sense, as is waiting for someone to finish crossing the road if turning left.

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    Who are these people making up these rules,soon to become law in the Autumn ? There are going to be a lot of pedestrians going to be stepping into the roads,causing RTC's with vehicles having to stop sharply when a pedestrian suddenly steps out into the road,and causing countless rear-end collisions........https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...junctions.html

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