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  1. Published on: 01/11/2021 07:50 PMReported by: editor
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    If we have read this correctly from 111 page report today by Sefton Council ' Southport Walking and Cycling Consultation and Active Travel Tranche 2' then it looks like the council would like further consultation on these proposals.

    You can read the FULL REPORT HERE

    As stated in the report ....

    In summary we will;
    • Deliver a leaflet to properties along the route which tells people about the walking
      and cycling route in simple language. The leaflet will tell people how they can tell
      us their views and opinions
    • We will offer the leaflet in alternative formats so everyone can understand what it
      means for them
    • We will issue a press release so that people who are not online or do not live
      directly along the route will get to know about the walking and cycling route and
      know how to tell us their views and opinions
    • We will have a place where people can go on-line and tell us their thoughts, we will also have a telephone number people can call to tell us their thoughts too
    • We will engage with business owners and big attractors and find out their thoughts
    • We will engage with the Emergency Services on our plans before the statutory
      process
    • We will engage with people who are not often represented in our consultations, via user groups and interest groups
    • We will write a report which summarises the results and this will be available for all to see on our website once approved

    Where to find out more;

    When we have started our engagement you will find all the information
    here; www.sefton.gov.uk/Southportwalkcycle, you will also be able to email us
    on transport.planning@sefton.gov.uk. We will use the following twitter accounts –
    @SeftonCouncil and @ActiveTravelSefton

    Extracts from the report as follows:

    Responses were received from a number of different media.

    As a broad summary, within the consultation period, the following responses were
    sent to the three consultations on the ‘Your Sefton Your Say’ platform;

    798 Your Roads Your Streets
    1517 ‘Hesketh Park to the Plough’
    1510 ‘Birkdale to Ainsdale’

    In addition correspondence was received by e-mail and letter
    252 e-mails were sent to the transport planning e-mail address
    8 letters were received.

    The most popular response to the following questions were ‘agree’ or ‘strongly agree

    Should Sefton Council act in local neighbourhoods to;
    • Improve air quality / reduce pollution from vehicles
    • Reduce traffic noise
    • Reduce traffic congestion / traffic jams
    • Improve the safety of the roads


    The most popular response to the following questions were ‘disagree’ or
    strongly disagree

    Do you agree or disagree with changing roads and paths to give more space
    to people walking and cycling
    • Changing of road space - In Sefton generally
    • Changing of road space - In your local area / neighbourhood


    The issues to which the popular response identified as a ‘serious problem’ were:
    • Vehicles going too fast on ‘your streets’
    • Not enough parking spaces on the high street
    • Lots of traffic on the high street.


    
    
    
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    Source: https://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/documen...ranche%202.pdf






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  3. The PNP says:01/11/2021 08:49 PM
    Amazingly consistent 'not happy at all' replies to any-and-every proposal to increase safety for the towns pedestrians and cyclists.....Those who responded in that way must lead incredibly sedentary lives, habitually avoiding walking or cycling even for the very shortest of trips.
    Now, I don't suppose they were all climate-crisis-denying motorists by any chance?

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  5. editor says:01/11/2021 09:10 PM
    The report will be presented to the Overview and Scrutiny Committee (Regeneration and Skills) next Tuesdat, November 95th.

    https://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/mgCommi...ls.aspx?ID=767

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  7. The PNP says:01/11/2021 09:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by editor View Post
    The report will be presented to the Overview and Scrutiny Committee (Regeneration and Skills) next Tuesdat, November 95th.

    https://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/mgCommi...ls.aspx?ID=767
    Looks to me, like a splinter-group of disgruntled motorists have done their best to shoot the whole thing down.....Hopefully, Sefton will see through those spoiling tactics, and have the courage and determination necessary to implement the schemes in full!

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  9. Kritou says:01/11/2021 09:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Amazingly consistent 'not happy at all' replies to any-and-every proposal to increase safety for the towns pedestrians and cyclists.....Those who responded in that way must lead incredibly sedentary lives, habitually avoiding walking or cycling even for the very shortest of trips.
    Now, I don't suppose they were all climate-crisis-denying motorists by any chance?
    The best collection of suppositions, guesses and presumptions we have seen from you to date …

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  11. The PNP says:01/11/2021 09:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Kritou View Post
    The best collection of suppositions, guesses and presumptions we have seen from you to date …
    Let's put it this way: How many pedestrians and cyclists are going to vote against something clearly designed to help them get from A to B more safely?
    Last edited by The PNP; 01/11/2021 at 10:42 PM.

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  13. justbecause says:01/11/2021 10:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Looks to me, like a splinter-group of disgruntled motorists have done their best to shoot the whole thing down.....Hopefully, Sefton will see through those spoiling tactics, and have the courage and determination necessary to implement the schemes in full!


    In other words, ride roughshod over the wishes of the majority of those residents that expressed an opinion. Is that how democracy works in the eyes of a cycling bigot?

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  15. The PNP says:01/11/2021 10:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    [/B]

    In other words, ride roughshod over the wishes of the majority of those residents that expressed an opinion. Is that how democracy works in the eyes of a cycling bigot?
    Democracy mate, 'works' at the ballot box where the people of Britain voted this Govt in. A progressive Govt that is funding these schemes. And the people of Sefton voted this present Council in. A Council that is implementing these schemes.....That fyi, is how democracy works - not via a small Facebook group that tries to skew the results of a survey, intent on thwarting the will of the people - duh!

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  17. salus.populi says:01/11/2021 10:56 PM
    How do people manage to read and digest 111 pages so quickly before commenting?

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  19. lawed143 says:02/11/2021 07:59 AM
    There appears to be lots of unhappy people in Southport. Wait until they experience the sh*t-show that nature is going to throw at us with climate change. They’ll be extremely unhappy about that, but they won’t take any responsibility, won’t admit they were wrong, but will blame the government, and the council, and they’ll keep on driving 1/2 mile to buy their fags and booze.
    We have to change, we have to be better, we have to provide a future for our children and grand children. We owe it to them to leave this world a habitable place.

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  21. lawed143 says:02/11/2021 08:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    [/B]

    In other words, ride roughshod over the wishes of the majority of those residents that expressed an opinion. Is that how democracy works in the eyes of a cycling bigot?
    The majority of those residents haven’t a clue what they’ve clicked. Just No no no without a care for anything or anyone else. Very selfish me me me, not in my backyard.
    Why wouldn’t you choose quieter, safer alternatives, that help to save the planet?

    Buy a car, to sit in the queue, to get to the job, and work long hours, to pay for the car. Wow that makes sense. All to just keep up with the neighbours and friends, and appear to be successful. Drive a machine to the gym, to run on a machine for 20 mins and yet complain when there’s so much traffic it takes you longer to get there than the time you spend there…..

    If you cycle or walk, you’re not successful or worthy of safe passage apparently.

    These selfish people live among us.

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  23. justbecause says:02/11/2021 08:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Democracy mate, 'works' at the ballot box where the people of Britain voted this Govt in. A progressive Govt that is funding these schemes. And the people of Sefton voted this present Council in. A Council that is implementing these schemes.....That fyi, is how democracy works - not via a small Facebook group that tries to skew the results of a survey, intent on thwarting the will of the people - duh!
    So that will be the Government and the same democracy that voted for Brexit then.
    You can’t pick and choose what is and what isn’t democratic.

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  25. libraryguy says:02/11/2021 08:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Democracy mate, 'works' at the ballot box where the people of Britain voted this Govt in. A progressive Govt that is funding these schemes. And the people of Sefton voted this present Council in. A Council that is implementing these schemes.....That fyi, is how democracy works - not via a small Facebook group that tries to skew the results of a survey, intent on thwarting the will of the people - duh!
    And what evidence do you have that this was the case? You are thwarting the will of the people, of those who have responded to this survery. It clearly states that those who responded to the survey do NOT want any of the plans put forward to be realised.

    THIS is how democracy works, not in your warped twisted mind to have things your own way every single time and sod everyone else.

    As for cycling... I saw a young man on his bike cycling down Hoghton Street last night - on the pavement all the way!! No lights on at all front or rear. The cycle lane is right next to him and he still couldn't use it!

    And you wonder why we get angry and frustrated!

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  27. justbecause says:02/11/2021 08:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by lawed143 View Post
    The majority of those residents haven’t a clue what they’ve clicked. Just No no no without a care for anything or anyone else. Very selfish me me me, not in my backyard.
    Why wouldn’t you choose quieter, safer alternatives, that help to save the planet?

    Buy a car, to sit in the queue, to get to the job, and work long hours, to pay for the car. Wow that makes sense. All to just keep up with the neighbours and friends, and appear to be successful. Drive a machine to the gym, to run on a machine for 20 mins and yet complain when there’s so much traffic it takes you longer to get there than the time you spend there…..

    If you cycle or walk, you’re not successful or worthy of safe passage apparently.

    These selfish people live among us.
    Would you care to back up that stupid moronic bull***** with some actual evidence?
    You may or may not be PNP posting in a different name, but you’re as sure as hell as stupid and bigoted as he is.

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  29. lawed143 says:02/11/2021 08:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    Would you care to back up that stupid moronic bull***** with some actual evidence?
    You may or may not be PNP posting in a different name, but you’re as sure as hell as stupid and bigoted as he is.
    You show me the evidence that they’ve made an educated decision.
    Still harping on about the PNP thing? What stupid and moronic bullsh*T you are coming out with. Any actual evidence? Touché

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