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04/05/2024 10:27 AM
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"Hamas is the only thing standing in the way of a ceasefire, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said overnight as a delegation of the Palestinian militants this morning were due to arrive in Cairo to resume talks.
Reports suggest that a deal could be agreed in the coming hours amid a flurry of diplomatic activity.
“We wait to see whether, in effect, they can take yes for an answer on the ceasefire and release of hostages,” Blinken said late Friday at the McCain Institute’s Sedona Forum in Arizona. “The reality in this moment is the only thing standing between the people of Gaza and a ceasefire is Hamas.”
“Taking the ceasefire should be a no-brainer,” he added, but said the “ultimate decision-makers” are members of the group in Gaza, with whom mediators have no direct contact.
Hamas and CIA officials will meet Egyptian mediators on Saturday, as foreign negotiators await a response from Hamas on the latest proposal to halt fighting for 40 days and exchange hostages for Palestinian prisoners.
Israel’s Channel 12 cited an unnamed Hamas source as saying that the group will shortly announce an acceptance of the first stage of the deal following US guarantees that Israel will withdraw from Gaza after 124 days, when all three phases of the agreement have been completed. The US guarantee was reportedly passed along via Egyptian and Qatari mediators at an eleventh hour meeting last night, which was also reported by Saudi newspaper Al Sharq.
The negotiations are reported to have been stalled recently over Hamas’ demand that the Israeli army withdraw completely from Gaza at the end of what Israel wants to be only a temporary pause in fighting, so that it can battle the remaining Hamas battalions in Rafah.
The World Health Organisation warned last night that if Israel does launch an offensive in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, which has been widely feared by the US and other allies, it would be a “bloodbath”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-updates-live/
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04/05/2024 02:45 PM
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People attend a march in support of Palestinians, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas,
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04/05/2024 05:43 PM
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"BBC Arabic forced to correct its output 80 times in five months of war
The service made the equivalent of one revision every other day on average, including incorrect references to Jewish residents as ‘settlers’
Patrick Sawer,
SENIOR NEWS REPORTER
4 May 2024 • 5:00pm
Related Topics
Israel-Hamas War, BBC
A BBC Arabic presenter stands in a studio next to a still image of soldiers carrying a bodybag
BBC Arabic removed a video from its website which questioned whether the massacre at Kfar Aza had actually taken place
The BBC was forced to correct its Arabic channel’s coverage of the Gaza conflict every other day on average during the first five months of the war.
BBC Arabic, whose output Tim Davie, the corporation’s director general, has described as “something we should be very proud of”, made 80 corrections in the five months after the Oct 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.
The corrections followed a string of complaints about the channel’s news coverage of the conflict by the Campaign for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting and Analysis (Camera), which lobbies for “accurate and balanced” coverage of Israel.
Of the 80 corrections made, 34 concerned BBC Arabic referring to Jewish communities inside Israel’s internationally recognized territory as “settlements”, which happened 30 times, and to their residents as “settlers” – four times.
Camera said it flagged this issue as early as the afternoon of Oct 7, but that BBC Arabic continued using the term “settlers” and “settlements” widely for the following five months, including in reference to Metula, which was established in 1896, with some of its first Jewish families having lived in the area for centuries.
BBC Arabic also corrected its description of Hamas and Hezbollah – both of which are proscribed terrorist groups under UK law – as “the Resistance” on three occasions, and corrected references to attacks which targeted and killed civilians as “resistance operations” on two more occasions.
The broadcaster also corrected one reference to the deaths of members of another UK-proscribed terrorist organisation as “martyrdom”.
Tel Aviv described as Israel’s ‘capital’
Complaints by Camera also forced BBC Arabic to correct its reference to a convicted child murderer as a “detainee/captive” rather than “prisoner” twice and to other convicted individuals in Israeli prison as “detainees/captives” on two more occasions.
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It also incorrectly described Tel Aviv as Israel’s capital or seat of government eight times.
A number of BBC Arabic journalists have been criticised for social media posts which appeared to justify or praise the killing of Israeli civilians by Hamas.
After complaints, the BBC launched an investigation into the use of social media by some BBC Arabic staff, with no further disciplinary action taken against them.
Following the investigation Mr Davie told MPs a month ago: “The Arabic service, in terms of its output, we should be very proud of […] the individuals themselves are under enormous pressure […] some of the tweets we have seen are unacceptable […] I think we’re doing the fair thing, we’re acting fairly and judiciously […].
“We do not want to see that, and when we see it, we will take action, and look at the appropriate sanction. That will not always be leaving the BBC, it might be the various ways in which you could take action.”
‘Divorced from reality’
A spokesman for Camera said: “Just over a month ago, director-general Tim Davie said in Parliament that ‘we should be very proud’ of the BBC Arabic’s output, offering ‘enormous pressures’ as relevant context for its staff’s various shortcomings.
“According to the BBC spokespeople’s usual mantra, meanwhile, the service’s journalistic work ‘adheres to the same Editorial Guidelines and standards’ as the rest of the BBC.
“But the sheer amount of corrections to Israel-related reports, with over 30 per cent of post-Oct 7 complaints still pending to this day, although long overdue, shows just how divorced from reality these statements are.
“In fact, the biased output of the Arabic service does not follow the same rulebook as the English one, nor can it be explained away just by ‘pressures’ in the field. Clearly, it is not even remotely something to be proud of.
“This level of detachment on the BBC management’s part, alongside the complaints system’s failure to provide a timely and diligent remedy for the situation, is what brought us months ago to call for a parliamentary inquiry with real investigative powers in an attempt to finally hold BBC Arabic responsible for basic standards of accuracy and impartiality.”
Video removed completely
Following complaints by Camera, the BBC removed a number of items completely from its BBC Arabic online output.
These included a video which questioned whether the Kfar Aza kibbutz massacre on Oct 7, during which at least 52 kibbutzim were killed and more went missing, had actually happened.
It also removed a video report which appeared to uncritically platform the false claim that the killer of a Palestinian-American child was Jewish.
BBC sources defended its Arabic channel as “a vital source of impartial news in a region which is dominated by partisan media”. It also denied that all the corrections were significant errors, saying that corrections can “vary in substance”.
A BBC spokesman said: “BBC News Arabic provides independent news 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to audiences across the Middle East and around the world.
“The service is covering the war accurately, impartially and diligently but when mistakes are made, we rightly acknowledge and correct them, reminding our staff of the high standards audiences know and expect from the BBC.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...tput-80-times/
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05/05/2024 08:08 AM
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The destruction of Gaza’s agricultural land has meant no citrus, strawberries or vegetables, which would normally be sold in the West Bank at this time of year. A wave of attacks from Israeli settlers in the West Bank, combined with road closures and raids by Israeli forces, has also left farmers in the towns around Bethlehem struggling to farm or bring their products to market.
“The long-term impact will take years to recover from, but the impact on human beings will be even longer,” said Kattan. “People think the Palestinians have the tools to deal with this, but they shouldn’t be required to.”
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05/05/2024 09:51 AM
#2690
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It took me years to understand these distortions of history as expressions of a deep, unspoken anti-Palestinian racism. Its underlying premise is that where Palestine is concerned, the rights of Palestinians are always inferior to those of Jewish people. Such racist views long predated the creation of Israel and were based on a denial of Palestinian existence in the country. As soon as the Zionists chose Palestine to be the Jewish state, at the end of the 19th century, organised attempts were made to write its Arab inhabitants out of history.
Twenty years before that, the English were already peddling the myth of an empty Palestine. In 1875 Lord Shaftesbury, a committed, well-connected Christian Zionist, saw Greater Syria, of which Palestine formed part, as a “country without a nation”. This description set the scene for the early Zionist narrative of Palestine as “a land without people for a people without land”, a homeland waiting to be “redeemed” by the Jews in exile. Zionist maps of the time depict the same thing, and the idea of an empty land gained wide currency. The aim then, as now, was to disappear the indigenous Palestinians from the landscape, and deny them their rights to the land.
This pernicious narrative was not so much a matter of demography, since any visitor to Palestine could easily disprove it, but of politics. At the time of Britain’s conquest of Palestine, the native population was viewed not as absent but as of no account. The 1917 Balfour declaration, which acknowledged Zionism’s claim to establish a “Jewish national home” in Palestine, was drawn up with that assumption.
As Arthur Balfour said in 1919: “In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country”, because Zionism had a claim “of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land”.
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If the seemingly benign two-state solution to the conflict, so beloved by western governments, had succeeded it would have been the subtlest expression of this lingering racism. Its proposal is for an independent Palestinian state on the post-1967 territories; that would, at best, apportion Palestine’s native people 22% of their original homeland, leaving the other 78% to Israel.
Irrespective of whether this is even feasible today, with more than 200 Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem breaking up the land’s contiguity, the formulation is clearly unequal. Only the insignificant “natives” of Balfour’s worldview could have been expected to accept this downgrading of their rights. That many Palestinians have done so is based not on the justice of the proposal, but on pragmatism: the power imbalance between the two sides is such that a small state is the most Palestinians are likely to get.
It is no way to solve the conflict. A lasting resolution must be based on justice and can only come from a negotiation between genuine equals. And that cannot happen unless the racism that has blighted Palestinian lives, and protected Israel and its supporters from retribution, is exposed and tackled head on.
Ghada Karmi | Thursday June 10, 2021
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05/05/2024 06:59 PM
#2691
Originally Posted by Hamble
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"Hamas is the only thing standing in the way of a ceasefire, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said overnight as a delegation of the Palestinian militants this morning were due to arrive in Cairo to resume talks.
Reports suggest that a deal could be agreed in the coming hours amid a flurry of diplomatic activity.
“We wait to see whether, in effect, they can take yes for an answer on the ceasefire and release of hostages,” Blinken said late Friday at the McCain Institute’s Sedona Forum in Arizona. “The reality in this moment is the only thing standing between the people of Gaza and a ceasefire is Hamas.”
“Taking the ceasefire should be a no-brainer,” he added, but said the “ultimate decision-makers” are members of the group in Gaza, with whom mediators have no direct contact.
Hamas and CIA officials will meet Egyptian mediators on Saturday, as foreign negotiators await a response from Hamas on the latest proposal to halt fighting for 40 days and exchange hostages for Palestinian prisoners.
Israel’s Channel 12 cited an unnamed Hamas source as saying that the group will shortly announce an acceptance of the first stage of the deal following US guarantees that Israel will withdraw from Gaza after 124 days, when all three phases of the agreement have been completed. The US guarantee was reportedly passed along via Egyptian and Qatari mediators at an eleventh hour meeting last night, which was also reported by Saudi newspaper Al Sharq.
The negotiations are reported to have been stalled recently over Hamas’ demand that the Israeli army withdraw completely from Gaza at the end of what Israel wants to be only a temporary pause in fighting, so that it can battle the remaining Hamas battalions in Rafah.
The World Health Organisation warned last night that if Israel does launch an offensive in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, which has been widely feared by the US and other allies, it would be a “bloodbath”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-updates-live/
The ceasefire has been rejected by Israel
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05/05/2024 07:33 PM
#2692
Originally Posted by Alikado
The ceasefire has been rejected by Israel
That figures, as there's still a bit of Gaza left they haven't pulverised yet...By some accounts, having dropped a staggering 100,000 bombs on the Gazans so far!
On Yer Bike!
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05/05/2024 08:11 PM
#2693
Originally Posted by Alikado
The ceasefire has been rejected by Israel
You miss read.
Israel and USA urged Hamas to accept a ceasefire,release of hostages and increased lorries of aid made possible by the opening of the Kerem Shalom
crossing newly rebuilt after Hamas made impassable on October 7th invasion of Israel.
Hamas rejected the deal.The terrorists rejected a ceasefire (humanitarian pause) insisting on an end to war or no deal.
Today
3 soldiers killed, 11 others hurt in Hamas rocket attack from south Gaza’s Rafah
Troops stationed on border near Kerem Shalom hit by barrage fired from one of terror group’s last strongholds; in response, Israel seals crossing where aid trucks pass through.
Israel rejected Hamas demand to end of hostilities not ceasefire.
Think of the hostages.Men women and children.
How would you feel if it was one of your family?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...re-talks-fail/
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06/05/2024 07:31 AM
#2694
Originally Posted by Hamble
You miss read.
Israel and USA urged Hamas to accept a ceasefire,release of hostages and increased lorries of aid made possible by the opening of the Kerem Shalom
crossing newly rebuilt after Hamas made impassable on October 7th invasion of Israel.
Hamas rejected the deal.The terrorists rejected a ceasefire (humanitarian pause) insisting on an end to war or no deal.
Today
3 soldiers killed, 11 others hurt in Hamas rocket attack from south Gaza’s Rafah
Troops stationed on border near Kerem Shalom hit by barrage fired from one of terror group’s last strongholds; in response, Israel seals crossing where aid trucks pass through.
Israel rejected Hamas demand to end of hostilities not ceasefire.
Think of the hostages.Men women and children.
How would you feel if it was one of your family?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...re-talks-fail/
You posted that Antony Blinken had said that the only hold up was Hamas accepting what was on offer, now it is Israel that has rejected it.
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06/05/2024 07:56 AM
#2695
Originally Posted by Alikado
You posted that Antony Blinken had said that the only hold up was Hamas accepting what was on offer, now it is Israel that has rejected it.
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Hamas took a week to consider the ceasefire offer negotiated by Israel,USA,Qatar and Egypt.
Hamas rejected the ceasefire offer claiming it would only agree
to an 'end of war' offer.
Why would Israel reject her own ceasefire offer?
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06/05/2024 09:51 AM
#2696
Originally Posted by Hamble
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Hamas took a week to consider the ceasefire offer negotiated by Israel,USA,Qatar and Egypt.
Hamas rejected the ceasefire offer claiming it would only agree
to an 'end of war' offer.
Why would Israel reject her own ceasefire offer?
Hi H - it's been a while!
I see nothing much changes on this predictable forum. You're still fending off the stale racists on this thread.
I thought you might be interested in the following interview. It's a lengthy one...then again...in contrast to this interminable thread...!
It may be of interest to the Hamas fans on this thread, too.
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06/05/2024 12:11 PM
#2697
Originally Posted by Hamble
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Hamas took a week to consider the ceasefire offer negotiated by Israel,USA,Qatar and Egypt.
Hamas rejected the ceasefire offer claiming it would only agree
to an 'end of war' offer.
Why would Israel reject her own ceasefire offer?
They have done, they offered it in bad faith.
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06/05/2024 12:17 PM
#2698
No denying there is brutality in the Middle East.
Israel's war on Gaza's population in retaliation for Hamas' October 7th attack is brutal.
In addition to physical destruction in Gaza, Israel's struggle against the Palestinian people in the information space is fraught with deflection.
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06/05/2024 12:45 PM
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06/05/2024 02:11 PM
#2700
Originally Posted by Desert Region
Hi H - it's been a while!
I see nothing much changes on this predictable forum. You're still fending off the stale racists on this thread.
I thought you might be interested in the following interview. It's a lengthy one...then again...in contrast to this interminable thread...!
It may be of interest to the Hamas fans on this thread, too.
Hi DR
It has been a while and did miss your posts.
Your link says it all.
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