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Slightly sceptical about the timing of this. How has it taken 3 years to come up with something that might placate the remain leaning members? Particularly as we've been warned that a veritable s*!tstorm is due this week from the right wing press over the whole antisemitism issue.
So that's two things that should have been sorted a long time ago. If the membership is this disillusioned, the electorate must be wondering WTF is going on.
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Originally Posted by Ceam
Good, Now I have someone to vote for. Hopefully without Corbyn as the front man.
Good Man!
I always knew your Peter Perfect was more dominant than Horrid Henry.
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Originally Posted by seivad
The GATT 24 option was a big fat lie from day one. Anyone who knows anything about GATT or the WTO knew it... as did Johnson. Gullible Brexiteers.... not so much!
Good heavens! When is Alice in Wonderland going to make her appearance in this Brexit scenario? There can't have been much more left out, surely.
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Corbyn/Labour now come out as the party of Remain.
Only because the Unions have threatened to withdraw their financial support of the Labour Party, without which there would not be a Labour Party at all. The Unions are located in Brussels and make most of their money from the EU members - they have a very vested interest. The Unions plan to put their own business above that of the democracy of the UK. It is a distinct conflict of interests. Any Labour voters should be disgusted that their Party, backed by the Unions, are attempting to hold the country to ransom - anyone with an iota of common sense can see through this, surely?
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Originally Posted by Mr B S Sniffer
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Quote Wiki
"19 May 2009. However, Haselhurst was among those who became embroiled in the MPs' expenses controversy being highlighted by The Daily Telegraph for claiming £12,000 in gardening expenses over 4 years, in the sum of £249 every month,[4] despite receiving advice from the Fees Office to simplify the submission of his expenses in this way;[5] he made endeavours to wipe the slate clean by refunding his gardening expenses "
I would have thought a guy like you would spend more time exposing the amount of fraud theft from the nhs by staff andcon men targeting State Benefit meant for vulnerable people.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
Slightly sceptical about the timing of this. How has it taken 3 years to come up with something that might placate the remain leaning members? Particularly as we've been warned that a veritable s*!tstorm is due this week from the right wing press over the whole antisemitism issue.
So that's two things that should have been sorted a long time ago. If the membership is this disillusioned, the electorate must be wondering WTF is going on.
Think of those poor Labour members who might have to go out campaigning in a general election.
"whats your position remain or leave"
"well its remain on anyone elses deal and leave on ours"
eh ?
""So are you campaigning for leave or remain" ?
"Well it depends"
"On what"
"If we get our way its leave but if we don't its remain"
"Isn't that confusing"
"no its very clear anyone elses Brexit is bad but ours is good"
"But Tom Watson says you are a party of remain"
"thats right we are ...........when it suits"
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Originally Posted by local
Think of those poor Labour members who might have to go out campaigning in a general election.
"whats your position remain or leave"
"well its remain on anyone elses deal and leave on ours"
eh ?
""So are you campaigning for leave or remain" ?
"Well it depends"
"On what"
"If we get our way its leave but if we don't its remain"
"Isn't that confusing"
"no its very clear anyone elses Brexit is bad but ours is good"
"But Tom Watson says you are a party of remain"
"thats right we are ...........when it suits"
Exactly right.
Corbyn has been standing in front of an open goal for nearly 3 years. For some reason he's seen fit not to take the shot. In fact, I think he's got the ball up his jumper.
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Corbyn/Labour now come out as the party of Remain.
Hypocrite??????? he doesn't come close to the few examples already pointed out, he is doing what a majority in the Labour Party membership are demanding, presumably you will support whichever of the two forked tongued chancers get elected by the tiny, tiny Tory Party as PM FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
Now there's real hypocrisy.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
Hypocrite??????? he doesn't come close to the few examples already pointed out, he is doing what a majority in the Labour Party membership are demanding, presumably you will support whichever of the two forked tongued chancers get elected by the tiny, tiny Tory Party as PM FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
Now there's real hypocrisy.
As opposed to Labour bending over backwards to appease its financial supporters while ignoring its own electorate? The Labour Party is run by an unelected leadership who does not respect the British electorate and most certainly does not care a fig for the working classes!
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Originally Posted by silver fox
Hypocrite??????? he doesn't come close to the few examples already pointed out, he is doing what a majority in the Labour Party membership are demanding, presumably you will support whichever of the two forked tongued chancers get elected by the tiny, tiny Tory Party as PM FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
Now there's real hypocrisy.
Sorry but Corbyn is the biggest hypocrite in the commons he isn't doing what the majority want at all .
He is only supporting a remain vote that his party in the main wants in the event he doesn't get the leave he wants.
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Quote Wiki
"19 May 2009. However, Haselhurst was among those who became embroiled in the MPs' expenses controversy being highlighted by The Daily Telegraph for claiming £12,000 in gardening expenses over 4 years, in the sum of £249 every month,[4] despite receiving advice from the Fees Office to simplify the submission of his expenses in this way;[5] he made endeavours to wipe the slate clean by refunding his gardening expenses "
I would have thought a guy like you would spend more time exposing the amount of fraud theft from the nhs by staff andcon men targeting State Benefit meant for vulnerable people.
1) Why did he think his job title allowed him to claim gardening expenses?
2) He paid it back because he got caught!
3) Fraud, theft from the NHS by con men , which one would you like to talk about?
1. David Cameron – Prime Minister
Handed a peerage to nursing and care home tycoon Dolar Popat, who has given the Tories more than £200,000 in donations.
2. Andrew Lansley - Former Health Secretary & architect of privatisation
Received a £21,000 donation in Nov 2009 from John Nash, the former chairman of Care UK.
3. Harriet Baldwin – Tory whip
Former executive at JP Morgan, a major player in private healthcare.
4. Greg Barker – former Energy Minister
Held shares in Quester VCT 5 plc ,a venture capital firm with multiple investments in healthcare companies.
5. Henry Bellingham
Former director of Lansdowne Advisory Ltd, which has shares in private healthcare company Circle.
6. Jake Berry
Has registered interests in legal firm Squire Patton Boggs, which worked with multiple NHS trusts on PFI and PPP programs.
7. Graham Brady
Former advisor to PA Consulting, a management consultancy company which has worked with the NHS’s new Clinical Commissioning Groups.
8. Simon Burns – former Health Minister
Attended an oncology conference paid for by Aventis Pharma - a five-day trip to the US funded by a leading drug firm.
9. Nick de Bois
Was the majority shareholder in Rapier Design Group, an events management company heavily involved with the private medical and pharmaceutical industries.
10. Steve Brine
Received almost £15,000 in donations from James Lupton, the chairman of investment bankers, Greenhill Europe which has a global network of corporate relationships in the healthcare sector.
11. Aidan Burley
Received six bottles of wine from Hitachi consultants for a speech in 2011. Hitachi Consulting UK built an online ‘portal’ for NHS commissioners to help them monitor performance.
12. Damian Collins
Spent almost a decade working for marketing agency M&C Saatchi, whose clients include PPP healthcare, AXA insurance, Astrazeneca, Pfizer and Merck
13. David Davis – former shadow home secretary
Received a payment of £4,250 for a six-hour speaking engagement for private health insurance company Aviva.
14. Jonathan Djanogly
Received £1,900 from Huntleigh Healthcare Ltd, which manufactures medical and orthopaedic equipment and instruments.
15. Richard Drax
Received £14,000 in a series of donations from Derek Luckhurst, chief executive and owner of care home group Agincare.
16. Iain Duncan-Smith – Work and Pensions Secretary
Has shares in hygiene technology company Byotrol plc, which sells products to the NHS.
17. Philip Dunne
Was a non-executive director for investment firm Baronsmead VCT 4 plc, which had multiple investments in private healthcare companies.
18. Michael Fallon – Defence Secretary
Former director of Attendo AB, - a Swedish private health company.
19. Mark Field
Was a board advisor to Ellwood and Atfield; a recruitment firm which recruit for NHS positions and private healthcare.
20. Liam Fox – former Defence Secretary
Received £5,000 from investment company IPGL Ltd, who purchased healthcare pharma company Cyprotex.
21. George Freeman
Has shares in Hill House Assets Ltd, formally private health firm 4D Biomedical Ltd.
22. Mike Freer
Provided marketing advice to Care Matters, a financial planning company for care homes.
23. Richard Fuller
Worked for L.E.K consulting, which has six ‘partners’ in European healthcare.
24. Richard Graham
Received £3,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
25. William Hague – Leader of the Commons
Received a £20,000 donation from MMC Ventures, which parts owns The Practice plc which runs 60 GP surgeries.
26. Philip Hammond – Foreign Secretary
Beneficiary of a trust which owns a controlling interest in healthcare and nursing home developer Castlemead Ltd.
27. Mark Harper
Received £5,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
28. Nick Herbert
Received £15,000 in donations from Caroline Nash, wife of former Care UK chairman John Nash.
29. Jeremy Hunt – Health Secretary
Received £32,920 from hedge fund baron Andrew Law, a major investor in healthcare firms.
30. Margot James
Had a key role at marketing giant WPP Group, which had a long list of healthcare clients.
31. Sajid Javid – Culture Secretary
Received £11,000 from Moundsley Healthcare Ltd last year.
32. Jo Johnson – Downing Street policy adviser
Received £6,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
33. Kwarsi Kwateng
Worked as an analyst for for Crispin Odey’s hedge fund Odey Asset Management.
34. Mark Lancaster
Former adviser to property venture capital firm Company Palmer Capital Partners Ltd, a funder of Danescroft Commercial Developments, which has worked in the healthcare sector.
35. Dr Phillip Lee
Has worked as a freelance or Medical Solutions Ltd, which provided medical cover for events.
36. Oliver Letwin – former shadow chancellor
Was a non-executive director of N.M. Rothschild Corporate Finance Ltd, which invests heavily in healthcare.
37. Peter Lilley
Non-Executive director of management software firm Idox plc, which provides services to the NHS Health Libraries Group and NHS Education for Scotland.
38. Tim Loughton
Received £350 for training sessions with Cumberlege Connections, a political networking firm that works “extensively” with the pharmaceutical industry.
39. Mary Macleod
Was a senior executive at Andersen Consulting/Accenture, which has profited from big PFI deals.
40. Francis Maude – Cabinet Office Secretary
Was a director of PR firm Huntsworth plc, which was part of lobbying group Healthcare Communications Association.
41. Maria Miller – former Culture Secretary
Former director of Grey’s Advertising Ltd, an advertising and brand company which worked extensively with clients in the healthcare sector.
42. Andrew Mitchell – former International Development Secretary
Was a strategy adviser to global management firm Accenture, which has worked extensively with private healthcare companies and the NHS.
43. Penny Mordaunt – Communities Minister
Worked for lobbying firm Hanover, where she had a range of healthcare clients.
44. Brooks Newmark – former Charities Minister
Partner in the Allele Fund, which invests in healthcare startups.
45. Jesse Norman
Received £5,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
46. Stephen O’Brien
Received payments totalling £40,000 from Julian Schild, whose family made £184million in 2006 by selling hospital bed-makers Huntleigh Technology.
47. George Osborne - Chancellor
Received donation through Conservative Campaign Headquarters from Julian Schild – see above.
48. Priti Patel – Treasury Minister
Worked for lobbying firm Weber Shandwick, which does PR for big healthcare and pharmaceutical firms.
49. John Redwood – former Cabinet Minister
Advised the private equity company which runs Pharmacy2u, the UK’s largest dedicated internet and mail order pharmacy.
50. Jacob Rees-Mogg
Partner of Somerset Capital Management LLP, which has healthcare investor Redwood Emerging Markets Dividend Income Fund as a client.
51. Sir Malcolm Rifkind – former Foreign Secretary
Chairman of advisory board at L.E.K. Consulting LLP, which helps private healthcare firms identify “new business development” and “opportunities with the Government”.
52. Amber Rudd – Energy Minister
Received £3,000 from hedge fund baron Andrew Law, a major investor in healthcare firms.
53. David Ruffley
Received £10,000 in donations from Caroline Nash, wife of former Care UK chairman John Nash.
54. Mark Simmonds – former Foreign Minister
Was paid £50,000 a year as a “strategic adviser” to Circle Health.
55. Chris Skidmore
Received £3,500 for speeches to STAC Consultancy, which specialises in the launch of pharmaceutical products.
56. Julian Smith
Received a £2,500 donation from Principle Healthcare Ltd in September 2014.
57. Nicholas Soames
Received £2,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
58. John Stanley
Consultant on financial services to FIL Investment Management Ltd, which invests in healthcare.
59. Andrew Tyrie - select committee chairman
Attended the Ryder Cup as Secretary of the Parliamentary Golf Society, with travel and accommodation paid for by U.S. healthcare services company Humana Europe.
60. Robin Walker:
His office received a £2,000 donation from Redwood Care Homes, which owns multiple care homes.
61. David Willetts – former Universities Minister
Has shares in Sensortec, a company that owns Vantix which was working on a contract for a new product to detect MRSI.
62. Rob Wilson
Had registered shares in Vital Imaging, a private screening company.
63. Tim Yeo
Also attended the 2008 Ryder Cup, courtesy of Humana Europe.
64. Nadhim Zahawi
Non-executive director of recruitment company SThree, which specialises in the Ppharmaceutical and biotechnology sector.
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Originally Posted by local
Sorry but Corbyn is the biggest hypocrite in the commons he isn't doing what the majority want at all .
He is only supporting a remain vote that his party in the main wants in the event he doesn't get the leave he wants.
Corbyn represents the Labour Party, just as the Tories represent the ultra wealthy and Farage the erm, erm ha ummm not sure really apart from himself.
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Originally Posted by said
As opposed to Labour bending over backwards to appease its financial supporters while ignoring its own electorate? The Labour Party is run by an unelected leadership who does not respect the British electorate and most certainly does not care a fig for the working classes!
Let's think this through. the Tories are funded by the ultra wealthy, the financiers, hedge fund sharks, none of whom give a toss for the country or it's people, at least the Trade Union leaders are elected by the members, which you are free to join at any time, try putting your opinion to the cabal which fund and run the Tories.
I'll stick with Labour given the current state of politics and politicians in the UK.
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Originally Posted by said
As opposed to Labour bending over backwards to appease its financial supporters while ignoring its own electorate? The Labour Party is run by an unelected leadership who does not respect the British electorate and most certainly does not care a fig for the working classes!
Show me a British political party leader who was elected by the British people.
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