Outrageous.

[The PNP]

Therein lies both legal and human rights issues.

Most have no paperwork/documents, so cannot establish which country they originated from, and even if you could identify their country by language etc, they still cannot be sent back without paperwork identifying them.

Then even IF you could do that, Human Rights issues then come into play, would they be persecuted, is it a 'war' area, etc etc etc

To turn up without any documentation is, as is well known, the method frequently used by economic migrants, as a ploy to prevent deportation. Undocumented arrivals should therefore be treated with additional suspicion.

Persecuted/war refugees deserve 'sanctuary' (preferably in the first safe country they arrive in) until it's safe to go back....E.g. displaced Syrians fleeing across the border into Turkey, once there are no longer in a war zone. Turkey might not be the greatest of places to hole up in, but that's not a valid reason to expect the EU (or UK) take them in.

[salus.populi]

Most have no paperwork/documents, so cannot establish which country they originated from, and even if you could identify their country by language etc, they still cannot be sent back without paperwork identifying them.

Unlikely to be granted asylum if they don't explain where they've come from and why.

Then even IF you could do that, Human Rights issues then come into play, would they be persecuted, is it a 'war' area, etc etc etc

That's generally the idea of asylum

[salus.populi]

Unless they all stowed away on planes or ships arriving from outside the EU (both highly unlikely) they must have travelled overland through perfectly safe EU states.

Maybe they are escaping the clutches of the evil EU and want to live in the greatest sovereign nation on earth?

[The PNP]

Maybe they are escaping the clutches of the evil EU and want to live in the greatest sovereign nation on earth?

More likely, the EU is turning a blind eye to them, hoping they'll get out of the EU's hair by ending up here!

[konemann]

Can you really blame other human beings for getting to the best place they possibly can?
?

I'm sure everyone does want to get to the best place they can, unfortunately, this group have ended up at The Scarisbrick, so may, after a couple of weeks , suddenly remember their country of origin and want to return.

[Derek H]

I'm sure everyone does want to get to the best place they can, unfortunately, this group have ended up at The Scarisbrick, so may, after a couple of weeks , suddenly remember their country of origin and want to return.

I have a couple of homosexual friends who are married. The one refers to his "other half" as "konemann"which translates literally to "wife husband". I hadn't expected to see this on an English thread.

[Little Londoner]

Obviously they stole bikes in Greece/Italy or wherever they landed and cycled through Europe leaving their bikes on the beach in France when they climbed on to the tractor tyre innertube to cross the channel. Anyone know an enterprising chimney sweep who could collect the bikes take them to points of entry and sell them on to the next wave clamouring to avail themselves care of the British tax payers.

I could take the refugee garbage if 90% of them weren't young men who couldn't stomach the fight to free their country like the young men and women of this country did during TWO World Wars and other skirmishes with ideological ne'er do wells.

[susanb]

When we lived in India, they wanted to come to Britain. Why?

" Your government pay people not to work."

[local]

When we lived in India, they wanted to come to Britain. Why?

" Your government pay people not to work."

It's true we do.

Perhaps workfare should be revisited ?

I am sure some are still looking for positions at Blockbuster and Woolworths they have been claiming so long.

They have been self isolating from the jobs market for too long many with convenient disorders.

[Nashwan]

If they are genuine they would have sought asylum in the first country they landed in.

There is no legal requirement to claim asylum in the first country you reach. This is a common misunderstanding often claimed as a truth by those keen to froth at the mouth at the thought of less fortunate people wanting a better life.

During 2016, 123,370 people claimed asylum in Italy, and 85,244 in France. During the same time period, 745,545 made claims in Germany. By comparison, the UK received 30,603 claims in 2016. That's almost one million claims for asylum between the four countries of which Britain received just 3%. I can't comment on the years since as I haven't looked for the statistics.

[Hamble]

There is no legal requirement to claim asylum in the first country you reach. This is a common misunderstanding often claimed as a truth by those keen to froth at the mouth at the thought of less fortunate people wanting a better life.

During 2016, 123,370 people claimed asylum in Italy, and 85,244 in France. During the same time period, 745,545 made claims in Germany. By comparison, the UK received 30,603 claims in 2016. That's almost one million claims for asylum between the four countries of which Britain received just 3%. I can't comment on the years since as I haven't looked for the statistics.

The Dublin Regulation.
Under the UN Refugee Convention, there is no obligation on refugees to claim assylum in the first EU Country they enter.
Those trying to cross the Channel can legitimately claim asylum in the UK if they reach it.

That said, refugees who arrive in the UK after passing through another EU country can, under certain circumstances, be returned to the first EU country they entered, under an EU law known as the Dublin Regulation.

[Nashwan]

And given that Britain is further away from Syria, Somalia etc the Dublin Agreement would only reduce the number of successful claims for asylum.

[muddyboots]

another nail in the coffin for the town centre...just when you think the town could not get any worse...it does...the owner of this hotel group is profiting and promoting illeagal immigration..he is making millions from them whilst ensuring the locals will not enter town centre...how does he sleep at night?

[Alikado]

another nail in the coffin for the town centre...just when you think the town could not get any worse...it does...the owner of this hotel group is profiting and promoting illeagal immigration..he is making millions from them whilst ensuring the locals will not enter town centre...how does he sleep at night?

How is he promoting illegal immigration?

I very much doubt he is making millions and how is he ensuring locals will not enter the Town Centre?

Brittania would probably not reopen the Scarisbrick after the lockdown, probably not the PoW either, would you prefer it boarded up, vandalised and probably burnt out?

[local]

There is no legal requirement to claim asylum in the first country you reach. This is a common misunderstanding often claimed as a truth by those keen to froth at the mouth at the thought of less fortunate people wanting a better life.

During 2016, 123,370 people claimed asylum in Italy, and 85,244 in France. During the same time period, 745,545 made claims in Germany. By comparison, the UK received 30,603 claims in 2016. That's almost one million claims for asylum between the four countries of which Britain received just 3%. I can't comment on the years since as I haven't looked for the statistics.

You undermine the genuine refugee and allow people the migrant bashing excuse.

Clearly those who bypass many places of safety have long given up the need for sanctuary and simply become economic migrants.

Nothing wrong with wanting to go to somewhere you like who wouldn't ?but to consider them in asylum seekers numbers by the time they get here is not helping.

They are overwhelmingly young and fit leaving behind the people who can't cope and need their help.