Bercow Booted Out

[Toodles McGinty]

Seems the message from Brexidiots is:

How DARE the EU treat us like a third country.

Even though we knew what it was to be a third country. Even though the EU made it perfectly clear what third country status entails.

Why on earth choose to put restrictions and red tape (which was supposed to disappear, as I recall) on food and goods coming from our closest market, as we have done?

A little like the passport control queues here and in Europe. What a genius idea, putting restrictions on travellers and the places they travel to most: Europe.

We knew this would happen. Anyone with an ounce of sense knew it. We were warned about it over and over again.

Why would anyone choose to harm our country and it's citizens by putting up barriers to trade and travel? What have those people, who still insist Brexit was a good idea, got against the UK?

Why are they happy to see our country get damaged like this? Less than fresh goods on our shelves because they've spent far too much time in lorries. Sub-standard home grown food because we have agricultural labour shortages - to the point of our largest providers having to import goods from the other side of the world?

Sorry Brexiteers, you've let our country down. That's about as unpatriotic as it gets. Waving a flag and screeching about 'sovereignty' isn't patriotism. Patriotism is standing up for this country. Wanting the best for her citizens.

[seivad]

Hilarious, your so anti-British that you're now blaming us, is it the new stop European drivers from returning home force?


Or maybe Boris's tyre deflating force?


Have you not spotted the point that it is leaving the UK to go into the EU that is the problem?

Priceless

Bearing in mind that from day one the EU carried out full import checks on UK goods, while the UK deferred the same on imports from the EU, I would hold fire on gloating until controls are enforced on agri-food imports from the EU. They've been deferred 3 times now, and are supposed to be enforced on July 1. I believe there's talk about deferring them again until 2023. When they finally impose them, a slow down on entry into the UK is inevitable.

[bensherman]

local seems to think France owe us in some way.

It wouldn't matter whether our EU primary route was the Netherlands or Spain, wherever that is they are admitting goods that can then be sold in any of the 26 countries. So the place of first importation is responsible for goods meeting EU standards, not just for the first country.

That is one of the many reasons why they do not want a hard border in Ireland, but the EU then ( as a concession!) do at least want checks coming into NI. A hard border would be a serious problem for small businesses in NI.

France isn't picking us out for special treatment. It is observing its responsibilities to the 26.

And as Seivad says we aren't applying our own checks coming the other way. Largely because we wasted years neglecting the logistics and because of our government's incompetence. I can recall Gove telling the House he had met the day before with the CBI who told him they were ready. This was an outright lie, as they were moved to point out in a statement the next day.

When we do implement our checks, watch shortages increase and prices rise.

I do hope when our Brexiteers congratulate themselves on their recovery of our "sovereignty " they also remember all this is their fault.

I have never understood why we see British/European as a zero sum game. Spain, Italy, Germany, France can all cope with being themselves AND being European.

[silver fox]

Our arch-Brexiteer appears to believe that the slightest dissent ref; Brexit is undemocratic, unpatriotic even treasonous, very often repeats the mantra deriding Remainers in that they didn't know what they were voting for.

Would suggest that it's Brexiteers who didn't know what they voted for, then make it worse by blaming the dastardly French for so many of the problems, apparently unaware that the change in rules and regulations is a natural consequence of what they voted for.

It was blatantly obvious that somewhere down the line there would be a firmer border in the island of Ireland or between the mainland and NI, this has become more and more of an issue, yet again our archBrexiteer feels that it's only the EU creating unnecessary problems.

We have left the EU, Brexit is still very much an unresolved issue, absolutely pathetic that after all this time, there is no agreement acceptable to both sides, of course as we all know our archBrexiteer will immediately blame the EU, the French, Uncle Tom Cobley, in fact anyone but our own government who negotiated the deal, proclaimed it as the greatest deal in history, yet surely all these "clever" people must have been aware of the already built in pitfalls.

The equally strange thing is when Remainers warned of these very things, it was branded "project fear" and dismissed by the flag waving, chest pumping nationalists, who wanted this mythical independence.

[Toodles McGinty]

Here's a question:

If we re-joined tomorrow what Brexit benefits would leavers miss the most?

[Toodles McGinty]

What, nothing?

[local]

Bearing in mind that from day one the EU carried out full import checks on UK goods, while the UK deferred the same on imports from the EU, I would hold fire on gloating until controls are enforced on agri-food imports from the EU. They've been deferred 3 times now, and are supposed to be enforced on July 1. I believe there's talk about deferring them again until 2023. When they finally impose them, a slow down on entry into the UK is inevitable.

Not one word of gloating, not one.


I just point out to our anti-British contingent, who is causing the problems not only to us but to EU members who wish to continue trading with us.

As I point out so often it's not just British Lorry Drivers stuck in those queues its mainly EU member companies' lorries in the main.

Look who stands to one side whilst people climb onto paddling pools to cross the channel for thousands of Euros a head,

We have even paid and equipped the French to stop them but the anti-British Contingent blame us.

I'm surprised they haven't joined in with support for the disgraceful treatment of the Liverpool supporters.

The threats to electricity and vaccine supplies.

Sorry for pointing out to the EU sycophants that the EU ain't very good friends and if they had been as David Cameron would happily tell you we would still be in.


Macron has very publicly told us where he wants the power in the EU to lie.

[Alikado]

Not one word of gloating, not one.


I just point out to our anti-British contingent, who is causing the problems not only to us but to EU members who wish to continue trading with us.

As I point out so often it's not just British Lorry Drivers stuck in those queues its mainly EU member companies' lorries in the main.

Look who stands to one side whilst people climb onto paddling pools to cross the channel for thousands of Euros a head,

We have even paid and equipped the French to stop them but the anti-British Contingent blame us.

I'm surprised they haven't joined in with support for the disgraceful treatment of the Liverpool supporters.

The threats to electricity and vaccine supplies.

Sorry for pointing out to the EU sycophants that the EU ain't very good friends and if they had been as David Cameron would happily tell you we would still be in.


Macron has very publicly told us where he wants the power in the EU to lie.

We know it isn't just British Lorry Drivers held up, that proves that the problem is not being caused by malice towards the UK, the problem is the deal that has been negotiated by the Government and the implementation of it.
The French are manning their Border, like us they don't really give a toss about who leaves only who enters so it is naive in the extreme to expect them to stop those leaving who they don't want anyway.
If Cameron had been given concessions every other country would have wanted them, they would all have been 'special cases' and we would have all been up in arms about that.

[bensherman]

Not one word of gloating, not one.


I just point out to our anti-British contingent, who is causing the problems not only to us but to EU members who wish to continue trading with us.

As I point out so often it's not just British Lorry Drivers stuck in those queues its mainly EU member companies' lorries in the main.

Look who stands to one side whilst people climb onto paddling pools to cross the channel for thousands of Euros a head,

We have even paid and equipped the French to stop them but the anti-British Contingent blame us.

I'm surprised they haven't joined in with support for the disgraceful treatment of the Liverpool supporters.

The threats to electricity and vaccine supplies.

Sorry for pointing out to the EU sycophants that the EU ain't very good friends and if they had been as David Cameron would happily tell you we would still be in.


Macron has very publicly told us where he wants the power in the EU to lie.

The reference to the "anti-British contingent" is stupid and disgraceful.
I, and I am sure the many who disagree with you will say, regard myself as pro-British.
To that end we will fight anything that will do us harm, and doubly so when it's self-inflicted.
We have already thrown billions at patching up our systems and economy, NONE of which will ever be recovered.
It is reckoned that the post-Brexit chaos has cost over £4000 per household, and that the expense so far exceeds what 18 years of EU membership would have cost.
We will have the lowest growth next year compared to all countries except Russia.
We have been conned into this state by a handful of billionaires, foreign interests and ideologues
Calling all that out is anything but anti-British.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...yumluA_FgXENLo

[local]

The reference to the "anti-British contingent" is stupid and disgraceful.
I, and I am sure the many who disagree with you will say, regard myself as pro-British.
To that end we will fight anything that will do us harm, and doubly so when it's self-inflicted.
We have already thrown billions at patching up our systems and economy, NONE of which will ever be recovered.
It is reckoned that the post-Brexit chaos has cost over £4000 per household, and that the expense so far exceeds what 18 years of EU membership would have cost.
We will have the lowest growth next year compared to all countries except Russia.
We have been conned into this state by a handful of billionaires, foreign interests and ideologues
Calling all that out is anything but anti-British.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...yumluA_FgXENLo

You continue to insult your country by telling us we were conned, you can't help yourself.

The laughable introduction of the pantomime cast of Billionaires, foreign interests, and ideologues is the familiar tactics of the intellectually bankrupt, blame the voters.

Where's the Russians?

They normally get a mention.

Then you introduce some dodgy crystal ball research.

Like many divorcees, you might benefit from a period of introspection and consider why you were so unconvincing, and why you and your band of remoaners failed instead of insulting and blaming everyone but yourself.

Having the undemocratic liar and bully Bercow as your hero sums it up

[silver fox]

You continue to insult your country by telling us we were conned, you can't help yourself.

The laughable introduction of the pantomime cast of Billionaires, foreign interests, and ideologues is the familiar tactics of the intellectually bankrupt, blame the voters.

Where's the Russians?

They normally get a mention.

Then you introduce some dodgy crystal ball research.

Like many divorcees, you might benefit from a period of introspection and consider why you were so unconvincing, and why you and your band of remoaners failed instead of insulting and blaming everyone but yourself.

Having the undemocratic liar and bully Bercow as your hero sums it up

Your Brexit rants become more and more absurd, I seriously wonder whether you are a Brexit supporter or just a troll, when you come up with gems, like the failures linked to Brexit are the fault of Remainers, beyond belief, hate to remind you, but Remainers didn't want Brexit, mainly those who fell for con man Farage and snake oil salesman Johnson, yet you have the temerity to throw the sheep label at everyone else.

Then your incoherent babbling ref patriotism etc, etc; just remember Remainers didn't vote for massive financial losses, didn't vote to stir up more NI controversy, didn't vote for creating artificial shortages, didn't vote to screw up the free flow of trade, YOU did, if anyone has set up to run the country down it's Brexiteers, hope you can sleep well after supporting self sabotage.

[local]

Your Brexit rants become more and more absurd, I seriously wonder whether you are a Brexit supporter or just a troll, when you come up with gems, like the failures linked to Brexit are the fault of Remainers, beyond belief, hate to remind you, but Remainers didn't want Brexit, mainly those who fell for con man Farage and snake oil salesman Johnson, yet you have the temerity to throw the sheep label at everyone else.

Then your incoherent babbling ref patriotism etc, etc; just remember Remainers didn't vote for massive financial losses, didn't vote to stir up more NI controversy, didn't vote for creating artificial shortages, didn't vote to screw up the free flow of trade, YOU did, if anyone has set up to run the country down it's Brexiteers, hope you can sleep well after supporting self sabotage.

If only you had written a measured and coherent response to defuse my "rant" you might have scraped some credibility.

It's a sore point it seems when I expose the anti-British rants where the blind and bigoted support of the EU no matter what harm they do to their own members never mind us is left unanswered.


I know it's not very popular to point it out yet again, but we would still be in your blue-flagged nirvana if they had given just a few crumbs to David Cameron when he went begging to our supposed friends and colleagues.


Just as now adhering to the agreement they signed would help;


Article 16 is an emergency mechanism in the Protocol that either the UK or the EU can use to introduce temporary safeguard measures to protect its economy and society. This is only if the application of the Protocol leads to “serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties that are liable to persist”, or to “diversion of trade”. These measures, however, need to be targeted to directly address the problems they are trying to fix.


https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-9330/



The remoaners keep wittering on about the deal we signed well there it is in Black and White the clear acknowledgment from both sides that it was a work in progress and problems would need to be ironed out in the future.

[bensherman]

The NI Protocol was not a "work in progress". It was a detailed agreement, with phases.
The EU has already delayed some of the phases and tolerated the rejection of (agreed) EU inspection of goods.
It is 100% the latest example of a government with not a clue what it is doing, making any old agreement to appease the hard of thinking, and then realising it practice that it upsets their own constituency.
If the DUP would shut up people would realise that (a) NI didn't want to leave the EU; (b) business people in NI are happy with it (c) NI is the fastest growing part of the UK ( albeit the rest is standing still).
To proceed with Brexit without appreciating that the EU, having spent 30 years constructing the Single Market, would insist on protecting its borders is world-class naivety. And to try to somehow BLAME the EU now is 100% fraudulent, designed to con the easily-conned, as we see here.

[silver fox]

If only you had written a measured and coherent response to defuse my "rant" you might have scraped some credibility.

It's a sore point it seems when I expose the anti-British rants where the blind and bigoted support of the EU no matter what harm they do to their own members never mind us is left unanswered.


I know it's not very popular to point it out yet again, but we would still be in your blue-flagged nirvana if they had given just a few crumbs to David Cameron when he went begging to our supposed friends and colleagues.


Just as now adhering to the agreement they signed would help;


Article 16 is an emergency mechanism in the Protocol that either the UK or the EU can use to introduce temporary safeguard measures to protect its economy and society. This is only if the application of the Protocol leads to “serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties that are liable to persist”, or to “diversion of trade”. These measures, however, need to be targeted to directly address the problems they are trying to fix.


https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-9330/



The remoaners keep wittering on about the deal we signed well there it is in Black and White the clear acknowledgment from both sides that it was a work in progress and problems would need to be ironed out in the future.

Do you actually read your posts and the links you provide?

Article 16 gives a means of taking TEMPORARY / EMERGENCY measures in exceptional circumstances, it does not provide a get out clause for Brexit screw ups and failings, in fact your link clearly states that any long term or permanent change must be negotiated and agreed by all concerned, if negotiation fails, there is a provision for arbitration.

The thing is, unless I'm mistaken this farce was as proposed by the UK government, yet anyone with more than a couple of functioning brain cells could see that there was going to a be border situation somewhere in the circumstances.

I have a theory regarding the more vociferous Brexiteers, they were conned and know they were conned, which is why they lash out blindly at any perceived target, of course this leads to the slurs of anti-British, running the country down unpatriotic etc, etc, etc; sad really.

[local]

Do you actually read your posts and the links you provide?

Article 16 gives a means of taking TEMPORARY / EMERGENCY measures in exceptional circumstances, it does not provide a get out clause for Brexit screw ups and failings, in fact your link clearly states that any long term or permanent change must be negotiated and agreed by all concerned, if negotiation fails, there is a provision for arbitration.

The thing is, unless I'm mistaken this farce was as proposed by the UK government, yet anyone with more than a couple of functioning brain cells could see that there was going to a be border situation somewhere in the circumstances.

I have a theory regarding the more vociferous Brexiteers, they were conned and know they were conned, which is why they lash out blindly at any perceived target, of course this leads to the slurs of anti-British, running the country down unpatriotic etc, etc, etc; sad really.

Try reading it again, put it in context of the current problems and have another go

You clearly miss the fundamental point,
that both sides foresaw problems that would need addressing in the future and if one side refused to co-operate do anything then there is a provision for unilateral action on specific issues.

Until we see if the new policy works as intended then of course it's temporary.


Please try and remember when you are on your anti-British rants (Brexit Screwups) that both sides signed this agreement and only one side, us, is looking to fix it.

The government wants the Stormont assembly up and running the country needs its democratically elected leadership.

The government wishes to fix the trading issues highlighted by the businesses trying to operate in NI.

The EU wants to control trade within a non-member country.

Where goods and services enter the EU then and only then is it any of their business.