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When it comes to being sold fake goods, there are two types of person in this world....Those who will put up with being conned and do nothing - and those who insist on their money back! Well, you might be prepared to accept the patently fake LEAVE promises - but there are many who voted LEAVE in good faith, who will not.

N.B. Give it ten years, when the misguided old farts who took us out have died off - and see if there isn't a referendum taking us back in.

10 years that makes Keir Starmer just 69 and the youngest member of his shadow cabinet who hasn't left in disgust at his new "direction" is 32.

Maybe not.

Or maybe you should find out what Jo Swinson, who did so well offering us re-entry is doing ...........


Oh I looked it up

[seivad]

I don't follow all threads and I only dip in and out of the forum, but even so, it's feels like it's been a while since I've seen a post from seivad, or from H / Hamble, or from TM / Toodles McGinty.


I hope they're all ok - and it's just a case that they're simply bored with the forum!


Anyone any news?

A little birdie messaged me about your post. All's well with me, DR, thanks for asking. I've not posted anything since before Christmas, but I have looked in occasionally.


Hi, H.

[seivad]

I don't know about TM or Hamble, but I believe that seivad is now the poster known as Anon, though I might be wrong. I had a lot of time away, but when I tried to rejoin, it took a long, long time because it kept blocking me.

You are wrong. I'm not the poster known as Anon. He or she has been a member for a long, long time. If I have something to say, I'll say it under my own name!

I couldn't figure out why you thought I was Anon, then I found one of Anon's posts on the Smart Meter thread citing Canada as an example of time of use billing (which is now optional) Take a look at the Energy Price Rises thread. Anon is clearly a UK resident.

[Hamble]

A little birdie messaged me about your post. All's well with me, DR, thanks for asking. I've not posted anything since before Christmas, but I have looked in occasionally.


Hi, H.

Hi Seivad glad to hear from you.

[Lamparilla]

You are wrong. I'm not the poster known as Anon. He or she has been a member for a long, long time. If I have something to say, I'll say it under my own name!

I couldn't figure out why you thought I was Anon, then I found one of Anon's posts on the Smart Meter thread citing Canada as an example of time of use billing (which is now optional) Take a look at the Energy Price Rises thread. Anon is clearly a UK resident.

Yes, silly of me to think that, but yes, it was the reference to Canada that made me jump to the wrong conclusions.

[sandGroundZero]

	Former BBC Moscow correspondent Angus Roxburgh charts the dramatic fight for Russia's future under Vladimir Putin. He argues that the West threw away chances to bring Russia in from the cold by failing to understand its fears and aspirations following the collapse of communism. Southport Library 947.0862 ROX
	Since coming to power in 1999, Vladimir Putin has ruthlessly seized control of media, exiled or killed political rivals, and dismantled Russia's fragile electoral system. Masha Gessen courageously returned to Moscow to report on Putin's alarming ascent, tracking down sources who dared speak to no one else. Formby Library 947.0862 GES

[sandGroundZero]

Further arming Ukraine will only destroy it.
The west must act to end this war now

Angus Roxburgh is a former BBC Moscow correspondent and former consultant to the Kremlin. He suggests only two ways to quickly end Russia's war on Ukraine:

1. "One would be for Nato to enter the war and make a quick, massive and decisive strike to cripple Russia’s invasion forces. Unlike with Russia’s actions, it would have every right under international law to do so. When Putin intervened in Syria, he very carefully framed this as a response to a request from Syria’s legitimate and internationally recognised government. The west could do the same in Ukraine. Putin himself has no such justification for his invasion.
   The risk involved in this – of a third world war – is obvious, and it’s why the west refuses to intervene directly.
   
   
2. "The other option is to persuade Putin to implement an immediate ceasefire, by inviting Russia to comprehensive peace talks. Western leaders are disinclined to parley with a butcher such as Putin. But they did it with Serbia’s Slobodan Miloševi?, only months after the massacre at Srebrenica, and the result was the Dayton agreement that put an end to the war in Bosnia in 1995."

This is stark, but altogether plausible!

Roxburgh argues that a protracted war will destroy Ukraine. Major cities and physical infrastructure will be decimated, refugees will have no homes or jobs to return to.

What is the likelihood of defeating Russia by means of indirect support through armaments and sanctions in a drawn out war? Short of a Kremlin coup ousting him, is there any prospect of ending the war that does not require dealing with Putin? In the improbable event of a Kremlin coup, is Putin likely to be replaced by someone who would hold a radically different (and peaceful) view of Russia's foreign policy priorities?

[said]

Further arming Ukraine will only destroy it.
The west must act to end this war now

Angus Roxburgh is a former BBC Moscow correspondent and former consultant to the Kremlin. He suggests only two ways to quickly end Russia's war on Ukraine:

1. "One would be for Nato to enter the war and make a quick, massive and decisive strike to cripple Russia’s invasion forces. Unlike with Russia’s actions, it would have every right under international law to do so. When Putin intervened in Syria, he very carefully framed this as a response to a request from Syria’s legitimate and internationally recognised government. The west could do the same in Ukraine. Putin himself has no such justification for his invasion.
   The risk involved in this – of a third world war – is obvious, and it’s why the west refuses to intervene directly.
2. "The other option is to persuade Putin to implement an immediate ceasefire, by inviting Russia to comprehensive peace talks. Western leaders are disinclined to parley with a butcher such as Putin. But they did it with Serbia’s Slobodan Miloševi?, only months after the massacre at Srebrenica, and the result was the Dayton agreement that put an end to the war in Bosnia in 1995."

This is stark, but altogether plausible!

Roxburgh argues that a protracted war will destroy Ukraine. Major cities and physical infrastructure will be decimated, refugees will have no homes or jobs to return to.

What is the likelihood of defeating Russia by means of indirect support through armaments and sanctions in a drawn out war? Short of a Kremlin coup ousting him, is there any prospect of ending the war that does not require dealing with Putin? In the improbable event of a Kremlin coup, is Putin likely to be replaced by someone who would hold a radically different (and peaceful) view of Russia's foreign policy priorities?

Bashar Al Assad did indeed ask Russia to help with terrorist unrest in Syria - but only after asking the USA to intervene three times. There is a video published of the Syrian Ambassador at a meeting in Washington a year before Russia agreed to help.

Until such times as it is determined otherwise, Putin is justified in intervening in the Ukraine. Putin has not taken over the media that is obvious from the publications we receive in the UK. But Western media has been taken over by America and it is in Americas interests to condemn Russia at every opportunity.

As powers of the World go - Russia has always been a rival of the USA. Recently, Russia has overtaken the USA on all military weapons and has superior air defense and attack weapons. Russia is threatening the American currency. Putin is far more popular with leaders of strategically placed countries. Putin is a strong and decisive leader, popular among his people. Compared with the USA whose economy has been struggling over the past twenty years, for which there has been many military cutbacks, several ill advised wars in country's whose only sin is that they have oil. The USA has a very weak, but war mongering for profit leadership that has led to thousands of civilian deaths and lasting destruction. Several of the leaders in the USA Government have ties to Ukrainian businesses - hence the reason for sequesting Biden's computer. The Ukraine remember, is one of the most corrupt countries in the World.

"Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings owned by Ukrainian oligarch and former politician Mykola Zlochevsky, who was facing a money laundering investigation just after the Ukrainian revolution, in April 2014"

The information you are being given is one sided. It all comes from the USA - hence the reason to seek out independent news sources, particularly from investigative journalists.

[sandGroundZero]

ex: said's post #248

"Until such times as it is determined otherwise,
Putin is justified in intervening in the Ukraine."


determined by whom?

[Hamble]

A little birdie messaged me about your post. All's well with me, DR, thanks for asking. I've not posted anything since before Christmas, but I have looked in occasionally.


Hi, H.

Glad you are ok.

[Hamble]

I am still going with the theory the Covid pandemic seriously affected Putin.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/w...c-mindset.html

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I think the Profs not got his logic head on again.


Putin has taken over the media in the place that matters to him the most, Russia.

He is so afraid that he cowers from the opposition pen in his own country.


Russias equipment is strewn broken down across Ukraine dragged away by farmers.

Many of their munitions fail to work.

They have now retreated from vast parts of Ukraine.

Their flagship Moskva sunk.

They have retreated to such an extent they are reduced to indiscriminate shelling and rocket fire,that it is highly likely to include hitting his own soldiers.


Instead of hitting Ukrainian troops, their hitting schools,hospitals and empty apartment blocks.



He is a military failure, a political failure and a failure as a human being

Leading a gang of murdering thugs isn't to most of us much of an achievement.

[Dirac]

ex: said's post #248

"Until such times as it is determined otherwise,
Putin is justified in intervening in the Ukraine."

"Intervening" - or as honest people say, "waging illegal war, killing civilians, using mass rape as a weapon and blowing up hospitals and other non-military targets."

[bensherman]

Bashar Al Assad did indeed ask Russia to help with terrorist unrest in Syria - but only after asking the USA to intervene three times. There is a video published of the Syrian Ambassador at a meeting in Washington a year before Russia agreed to help.

Until such times as it is determined otherwise, Putin is justified in intervening in the Ukraine. Putin has not taken over the media that is obvious from the publications we receive in the UK. But Western media has been taken over by America and it is in Americas interests to condemn Russia at every opportunity.

As powers of the World go - Russia has always been a rival of the USA. Recently, Russia has overtaken the USA on all military weapons and has superior air defense and attack weapons. Russia is threatening the American currency. Putin is far more popular with leaders of strategically placed countries. Putin is a strong and decisive leader, popular among his people. Compared with the USA whose economy has been struggling over the past twenty years, for which there has been many military cutbacks, several ill advised wars in country's whose only sin is that they have oil. The USA has a very weak, but war mongering for profit leadership that has led to thousands of civilian deaths and lasting destruction. Several of the leaders in the USA Government have ties to Ukrainian businesses - hence the reason for sequesting Biden's computer. The Ukraine remember, is one of the most corrupt countries in the World.

"Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings owned by Ukrainian oligarch and former politician Mykola Zlochevsky, who was facing a money laundering investigation just after the Ukrainian revolution, in April 2014"

The information you are being given is one sided. It all comes from the USA - hence the reason to seek out independent news sources, particularly from investigative journalists.

Whereas the information you have is ,of course, impeccable. WAKE UP.

As for Hunter Biden, this has nothing to do with that. But it does remind us that Trump threatened Ukraine that he would stop military aid, unless they cooperated in creating dirt on Biden. In other words he used federal funds in pursuit of his political campaign- one of many examples.

To which Ukraine, admirably told him to stick it.

[Hamble]

German Univer caves to Russian demands.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61257846