building on flood plains....churchtown moss, rufford road

[sandGroundZero]

No offence intended, I hope you know
…your opening was slightly mocking; was it not?

There are so many geographical and engineering experts in this thread.

Apart from the thread's heading: "building on flood plains…", I do not recall any of the subsequent posts mentioning flood plains, or otherwise suggesting river flooding per se. Having said that, some of the man-made drainage channels could well over-flow their banks.

As you will know, Southport's history dates back only a couple of centuries, or so. Prior to that, the sand dunes were somewhat isolated owing not least to the extensive soggy landscape between the hills and the hawes.

You may recall that dwellings in nearby Croston suffered flood damage, not very long since, when the waterways Lostock and Yarrow, tributaries of the River Douglas swelled during a period of persistent, heavy rains across the entire catchment. There are of course, complex, interacting causes.

[muddyboots]

Mock all you like, but the developments are not on flood plains any more than the rest of Southport is. Those issues that you have raised are the same issues for the whole of Southport. Therefore that in itself is not a reason not to build. As I alluded to, there maybe other factors arising out of traffic and safety etc which may mean the developments should not go ahead. But the flood plain issue is not a reason to prevent the building.

the topwater (from roofs, drives, roads, etc) will be going into the field waterways, the environment agency has already had to cut hundreds of trees down last week to get a crane dredger alongside the manmade cut drain and dredge it, as the fields are not draining already....just a few hundred metres away...added to which anyone living on rufford road knows the drains are blocked several times a year and cant cope....as for the sewage drains if they raise the ground level like in kew (with contaminated soil debris from salvage yards) rufford road and roads around will be below and downstream of this estate....if the old drains get blocked it will be coming out of peoples drains and toilets..before adding to the current problems fix the ones we have first

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no one here seems very bothered that grade1 farming land is about to be built on??....britain will need all the farming land we can use soon....we cant build on it....southport is gridlocked enough...build elsewhere...the town centre may be a good place instead to build thousands of homes and boost the shops in the proccess....remember no one is making new land....land is a dwindling assett

Good point! The government late last year, I think I am right in saying - wants the UK to be domestically independent on farming foods in order to reduce the imports to the UK. For that, more farming land is required.

[sandGroundZero]

…The government …wants the UK to be domestically independent on farming foods in order to reduce the imports to the UK. For that, more farming land is required.

The government wants to

• create an immense scar across the English countryside in the shape of HS2;
• minimize coastal erosion in a cost-effective manner;
• (claims to want) to make UK food standards among the highest in the world;
• cut red tape; and let's not forget
• build millions of new homes;
• (organic?) pork pies to fly!

.

[muddyboots]

No offence intended, I hope you know
…your opening was slightly mocking; was it not?

Apart from the thread's heading: "building on flood plains…", I do not recall any of the subsequent posts mentioning flood plains, or otherwise suggesting river flooding per se. Having said that, some of the man-made drainage channels could well over-flow their banks.

As you will know, Southport's history dates back only a couple of centuries, or so. Prior to that, the sand dunes were somewhat isolated owing not least to the extensive soggy landscape between the hills and the hawes.

You may recall that dwellings in nearby Croston suffered flood damage, not very long since, when the waterways Lostock and Yarrow, tributaries of the River Douglas swelled during a period of persistent, heavy rains across the entire catchment. There are of course, complex, interacting causes.

you must be psychich.....its just happened on the new estate next to town lane!! manmade ditches overflowing

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The government wants to

• create an immense scar across the English countryside in the shape of HS2;
• minimize coastal erosion in a cost-effective manner;
• (claims to want) to make UK food standards among the highest in the world;
• cut red tape; and let's not forget
• build millions of new homes;
• (organic?) pork pies to fly!

.

Yes, well all political promises come up short!

[sandGroundZero]

Regarding post by said #36: "Yes, well all political promises come up short!"

Perhaps that is so. Worthwhile follow-on questions might include:

• Why are voters susceptible? and
• What is the appropriate judgement on the perpetrators of false promises?

[Hamble]

you must be psychich.....its just happened on the new estate next to town lane!! manmade ditches overflowing

When I was a child the whole area was called 'The Moss'.
The only thing there was a breakers yard.

[Hamble]

We stayed in a hotel in Shrewsbury last November.
Even then the cycle path along the river was submerged under water.
Really sad to see the flood devastation this week.

[*concerned*]

When I was a child the whole area was called 'The Moss'.
The only thing there was a breakers yard.

Not forgetting the lake at Kew end

[Hamble]

Not forgetting the lake at Kew end

True.

Kew Gardens

https://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/n...ardens-8553013

[Alikado]

Regarding post by said #36: "Yes, well all political promises come up short!"

Perhaps that is so. Worthwhile follow-on questions might include:

• Why are voters susceptible? and
• What is the appropriate judgement on the perpetrators of false promises?

The voters hope that just for once the candidate / party will live up to their promises, the problem is once they get their snouts in the trough they don't want to upset the gravy train!
The main protagonists of ignoring the electorate have usually burrowed themselves so deep into the mire that it is impossible to dislodge them!

[sandGroundZero]

The voters hope that just for once the candidate / party will live up to their promises, the problem is once they get their snouts in the trough they don't want to upset the gravy train!

"…snouts in the trough" is tarring all with a very broad brush.

The problem is not that all politicians are corrupt, though of course some are. The problem is with the institutions within which politicians operate and which citizens are expected to tolerate, notwithstanding glaring shortcomings.

As I've posted elsewhere, our political institutions are overdue for radical revision. Those institutions have evolved to contain democracy — not to let democracy flower.

[Alikado]

"…snouts in the trough" is tarring all with a very broad brush.

The problem is not that all politicians are corrupt, though of course some are. The problem is with the institutions within which politicians operate and which citizens are expected to tolerate, notwithstanding glaring shortcomings.

As I've posted elsewhere, our political institutions are overdue for radical revision. Those institutions have evolved to contain democracy — not to let democracy flower.

More like some politicians aren't corrupt, when power and influence are gained they try desperately to cling on, power corrupts.

[sandGroundZero]

More like some politicians aren't corrupt, when power and influence are gained they try desperately to cling on, power corrupts.

For the sake of discussion, suppose it is true that politicians "try desperately to cling on, power corrupts". What should be done?

I've posted the institutions are irredeemably flawed and by implication that the institutional tinkering that passes for reform is utterly inadequate! At present:

1. local government is regarded as necessary, but not sufficiently important to attract serious consideration of real reform;
2. making local government effectively democratic and accountable is possible by means of some carefully designed information technology.

Address that?