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Originally Posted by local
So it's the EU who want to divide Ireland with a hard border
Whether in or out, we have to abide by the EU rules on their borders,
no they have to do the checks they want, its not up to us to enforce their rules.
The EU wish to maintain EU borders, it's the UK who wants to step outside of those borders, the border situation within Ireland is very much a UK creation, up to us to deal with it.
Just remember any problems arising in N Ireland due to the border situation is very much a UK problem, in the event of a no deal Brexit N Ireland will still be part of the UK, any return to the previous troubles will be entirely on our head, do you really want to see the violence return? troops in N Ireland?
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Interesting that repeated today on Sky with Sophie Ridge Juncker was confident we can have a deal and Brexit will happen.
https://news.sky.com/story/jean-clau...appen-11814207
I don't think its time for the Union Jacks to be flying but at least it gives some hope.
He does though think the EU will want a border, what this means in practice who knows.
So its clearly the EU pushing for a border.
How this will be used by the trouble makers is to be seen.
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Originally Posted by local
So it's the EU who want to divide Ireland with a hard border
Whether in or out, we have to abide by the EU rules on their borders,
no they have to do the checks they want, its not up to us to enforce their rules.
Do you want control at the boarders or not? All seems a little pointless if we can't keep those pesky foreigners out and can't control trade, Seems to be what most are jumping up and down about.
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Depends on what you mean by borders.
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Originally Posted by local
no they have to do the checks they want, its not up to us to enforce their rules.
So it's up to the EU then?
Sterling bit of 'taking back control'.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
The EU wish to maintain EU borders, it's the UK who wants to step outside of those borders, the border situation within Ireland is very much a UK creation, up to us to deal with it.
If Southern Ireland left the EU (Eirexit) there would be no problem - but I doubt they'd be that daft. It's leavers in the UK who are responsible for Brexit, so let the leaders of the leave campaign sort things out - if they can!
STOP BREXIT!
On Yer Bike!
www.20splentyforus.co.uk
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Originally Posted by The PNP
If Southern Ireland left the EU (Eirexit) there would be no problem - but I doubt they'd be that daft. It's leavers in the UK who are responsible for Brexit, so let the leaders of the leave campaign sort things out - if they can!
STOP BREXIT!
Its up to both sides, it's in their interest to come to an amicable agreement surely.
Juncker and Barnier have clearly welcomed Boris and are talking of reaching agreement it is not a done deal but at least they are having a go.
Leaving Ireland to carry the can on the back of political posturing is simply bad.
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Originally Posted by local
Its up to both sides, it's in their interest to come to an amicable agreement surely.
Juncker and Barnier have clearly welcomed Boris and are talking of reaching agreement it is not a done deal but at least they are having a go.
Leaving Ireland to carry the can on the back of political posturing is simply bad.
How's it good for the E.U. exactly?
Why should they give a **** about the U.K. WE are the ones pulling the trigger not them. ALL of this is on us.
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Originally Posted by local
Its up to both sides, it's in their interest to come to an amicable agreement surely.
Juncker and Barnier have clearly welcomed Boris and are talking of reaching agreement it is not a done deal but at least they are having a go.
Leaving Ireland to carry the can on the back of political posturing is simply bad.
They've said that nothing has changed Bojo hasn't come up with any proposal and just resubmitted the original deal with the Backstop crossed out.
Boris will be remembered in History for the Reunification of Ireland and Scottish Independence.
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Originally Posted by Alikado
They've said that nothing has changed Bojo hasn't come up with any proposal and just resubmitted the original deal with the Backstop crossed out.
Boris will be remembered in History for the Reunification of Ireland and Scottish Independence.
It is getting closer & closer,
The SNP are calling for similar proposals for them.
Ireland's Taoiseach Leo Varadkar lists five ways to avoid a north-south border:
- A united Ireland
- Ireland rejoining the UK
- UK deciding to stay in the EU
- The "Norway plus" model
- The backstop
"The best one is, of course, the backstop", he adds
Northern Ireland's Chief Constable tells Boris Johnson he does not have enough officers to police the 300 crossing points of the Irish border.
Simon Byrne says he spoke to the PM via a video link.
"We were face-to-face on a video call for over half an hour," he says.
"It was a very open conversation trying to tell him we saw that it was nigh on impossible to try and police over 300 crossings with the amount of police officers we had.
"It was a candid conversation, he was responsive to what we said and at the end of the day, how it landed and what he thought... you're going to have to ask him."
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Originally Posted by Ceam
How's it good for the E.U. exactly?
Why should they give a **** about the U.K. WE are the ones pulling the trigger not them. ALL of this is on us.
Certainly in the interests of all parties to come to an agreement why would you want to do anything else ?
We are an important export market for many EU countries and jobs depend on us and them across the EU why put that at risk in the name of political posturing ?
It is up to both sides to come to an amicable solution.
Beyond trade there are some important issues surrounding security,crime,immigration, the environment etc that will need both sides to co-operate in future.
The ludicrous claims of crashing out etc are simply irrational .
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Originally Posted by local
Certainly in the interests of all parties to come to an agreement why would you want to do anything else ?
We are an important export market for many EU countries and jobs depend on us and them across the EU why put that at risk in the name of political posturing ?
It is up to both sides to come to an amicable solution.
Beyond trade there are some important issues surrounding security,crime,immigration, the environment etc that will need both sides to co-operate in future.
The ludicrous claims of crashing out etc are simply irrational .
Just for a change agree with virtually all of that, but your last line is precisely what Johnson is threatening, it is also what many Brexiteers want, the problem is that crashing out is irrational, which is just what those who oppose Brexit have been saying all along, the fears are well founded.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
Just for a change agree with virtually all of that, but your last line is precisely what Johnson is threatening, it is also what many Brexiteers want, the problem is that crashing out is irrational, which is just what those who oppose Brexit have been saying all along, the fears are well founded.
But he isn't threatening that far from it he/they have come up with a (admittedly flawed) deal that overcomes most of the problems that led to Mays deal failing.
"Crashing out" is simply an ill thought phrasal verb to dramatize leaving.
It will need some movement from the EU but they have not dismissed it as they realise we are in the last chance saloon.
Some further accomodation on both sides will get this phase done.
The Brexiteers are simply supporting the vote outcome to leave.
Their position is much more honorable than the trouble makers who are simply looking to frustrate democracy.
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I'm firmly of the opinion that Johnson has presented a rework of May's deal, only worse, so he can blame the EU when there's no deal and no time for one.
He won't ask for an extension, even under the threat of arrest for breaking the law.
No surrender. He's never had any intention of getting a deal. Irish sources are saying there's no chance at all now, regardless of the noises Johnson makes.
Hope I'm wrong. But his conference address, which was basically an after dinner speech full of rehashed old material for howling pensioners, and subsequent stand up in the Commons, doesn't convince me otherwise.
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