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Originally Posted by *concerned*
Its all a bit irrelevant to be honest.
Our excess deaths are not really surprising, considering our population density is close to 246 people per sq.kilometre
(Spain is 93 and Italy is 199 for comparison )
Population density is irrelevant. Malta has a population density of 1390 people per sq. kilometre and recorded just 6 deaths. Hong Kong has 6677 people per sq. kilometre and recorded jut 4 deaths.
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Originally Posted by birdbath
Given the government's handling of the coronavirus so far, who thinks that we are ready to open schools on June 1st?
Yes, children need to return to normality. They need to socialise and they need to maintain education.
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Children thankfully seem to suffer the least and Teachers do not seem to be in a high risk group either.
No one can reasonably ask for or expect to get a 100% guarantee from Covid or its effects.
A lot of the opposition is political.
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Originally Posted by said
Yes, children need to return to normality. They need to socialise and they need to maintain education.
Everybody needs to return to normality but the Government is only looking at London, the virus hit there first and tailed off first there, parts of the country such as NW are 2 weeks behind and the Midlands a week or 10 days behind, lifting the restrictions here will cause another peak. The schools will not be fully staffed if they go back due to the Governments advice about self isolation for vulnerable groups such as the pregnant and those with elderly in the households.
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Originally Posted by Alikado
Everybody needs to return to normality but the Government is only looking at London, the virus hit there first and tailed off first there, parts of the country such as NW are 2 weeks behind and the Midlands a week or 10 days behind, lifting the restrictions here will cause another peak. The schools will not be fully staffed if they go back due to the Governments advice about self isolation for vulnerable groups such as the pregnant and those with elderly in the households.
Oh, yes. I forgot about the staff remaining off. The time lapses across the country surely do not matter. Spain and Italy had their first cases after the UK but their schools are now re-opening.
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Perhaps Politicians should lead the way and go back to work not send children and teachers to test the water. If it isn't safe enough for MP's to go to work why on earth should anyone else. After all we don't want taxpayers money paying their Rent/Mortgage on their London abode and them not using it.
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Originally Posted by said
Oh, yes. I forgot about the staff remaining off. The time lapses across the country surely do not matter. Spain and Italy had their first cases after the UK but their schools are now re-opening.
The time lapses are very important, ignore them and there will be big rises in parts of the country but hey ho it's not London so it doesn't matter!
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Are the world excess death rates published?
Linky please?
The FT are covering it. I put the link in post 11. One of the worst, no surprise is Sweden, whose lockdown measures seem to have been pretty much left to the population.
A lot is being made of population sizes and density. Which is relevant to a point. For example, people are trying to downplay New Zealand’s success.
New Zealand’s population is 85 per cent urban. They are as large as Ireland and Norway and Finland. They have tourists and trade from all over the world. Yet they handled this situation very differently with an equally different outcome to ours. The US population is one of the least dense in the world. They handled the situation differently again. Vietnam has hardly suffered at all, with a population of 97m.
Test, track and trace has played a huge part in keeping the virus under control, whatever the size and density of the population. That and the initial reaction.
My daughter has just sent me a copy of the new regulations for my grandkids' school. It involves having no contact with the teachers or each other. Training them in hygiene (fair enough), arts and crafts to be done alone. One child per table. One book per day. All lunch items to be disposable. Play is non-interactive. These are 5 year olds. An impossible situation. As one person said, they can't stop nits spreading, never mind this.
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New Zealand is simply a different country ,
New Zealand has an advantage of a relatively isolated location, which meant fewer early travelers from China and other infected areas and a longer time before cases started to appear. New Zealand saw its first cases on Feb. 28, at a time when the U.S. already had community spread and likely thousands of unreported cases,”
Its lockdown started on On Mar. 23,
Italys 9th March.
NZ is simply not us.
https://time.com/5824042/new-zealand...s-elimination/
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Originally Posted by local
New Zealand is simply a different country ,
New Zealand has an advantage of a relatively isolated location, which meant fewer early travelers from China and other infected areas and a longer time before cases started to appear. New Zealand saw its first cases on Feb. 28, at a time when the U.S. already had community spread and likely thousands of unreported cases,”
Its lockdown started on On Mar. 23,
Italys 9th March.
NZ is simply not us.
https://time.com/5824042/new-zealand...s-elimination/
NZ certainly has geographical advantages over the UK, but NZ acted, here in the UK we had the blathering on about "taking it on the chin" and "herd immunity" etc, in the meantime apart from the much publicized cruise ship passengers every man and his dog has rocked up here untested, unmonitored, the concept of testing went out the window when it was realised we didn't have the materials nor capacity to actually do it, at no time have we put restrictions on arrivals here.
Before you say it, this isn't political, currently the Johnson/Tory government is acting and talking just as Socialist as any Labour government.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
The FT are covering it. I put the link in post 11. One of the worst, no surprise is Sweden, whose lockdown measures seem to have been pretty much left to the population.
A lot is being made of population sizes and density. Which is relevant to a point. For example, people are trying to downplay New Zealand’s success.
New Zealand’s population is 85 per cent urban. They are as large as Ireland and Norway and Finland. They have tourists and trade from all over the world. Yet they handled this situation very differently with an equally different outcome to ours. The US population is one of the least dense in the world. They handled the situation differently again. Vietnam has hardly suffered at all, with a population of 97m.
Test, track and trace has played a huge part in keeping the virus under control, whatever the size and density of the population. That and the initial reaction.
My daughter has just sent me a copy of the new regulations for my grandkids' school. It involves having no contact with the teachers or each other. Training them in hygiene (fair enough), arts and crafts to be done alone. One child per table. One book per day. All lunch items to be disposable. Play is non-interactive. These are 5 year olds. An impossible situation. As one person said, they can't stop nits spreading, never mind this.
No need to play New Zealand's success down just appreciate the science of logistics.
New Zealand is around the same size as United Kingdom.
United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while New Zealand is approximately 268,838 sq km, making New Zealand 10% larger than United Kingdom.
Meanwhile, the population of United Kingdom is ~64.4 million people (59.9 million fewer people live in New Zealand).
To be clear
Population of New Zealand
Year Population
2020 4,822,233
Vulnerable children at home are at greater risk.
I feel sad for those in crowded living homes with no garden.The harm in keeping them home seems higher than social distancing in schools.
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Originally Posted by local
Children thankfully seem to suffer the least and Teachers do not seem to be in a high risk group either.
No one can reasonably ask for or expect to get a 100% guarantee from Covid or its effects.
A lot of the opposition is political.
You know what, It's not your children going back to school, So no one gives a stuff what you think quite honestly.
Why don't you go back to the pub for a few weeks with Said and Hamble and a few dozen more unknowns , If your not ill or dead in a month then I'll think about sending my kids back to school.
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Originally Posted by Ceam
You know what, It's not your children going back to school, So no one gives a stuff what you think quite honestly.
Why don't you go back to the pub for a few weeks with Said and Hamble and a few dozen more unknowns , If your not ill or dead in a month then I'll think about sending my kids back to school.
I thought your children were all the uninvited year groups?
You are I take it quite happy for all those children already in school with parents working in the essential services your family uses?
I shall think of you on the Thursday clap.
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Originally Posted by local
Children thankfully seem to suffer the least and Teachers do not seem to be in a high risk group either.
No one can reasonably ask for or expect to get a 100% guarantee from Covid or its effects.
A lot of the opposition is political.
OK, you go volunteer at a school or hospital, no need for protective gear or precautions, see how you go on, I fortunately have no children at school, even our youngest grandchild is in high school, so have no personal axe to grind, but get tired of tame experts who know little or nothing.
Why pray is any opposition political? only in your head is it political.
I don't think that most children are a high danger risk, BUT enough are at risk, plus of course they can easily carry and transmit the virus, particularly when you are also bringing adults back into contact who have previously been distanced from non family members for some time.
With the best will in the world young children will be accompanied to and from school, tell me just how any sort of distancing can be achieved around the school gates?
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Originally Posted by Hamble
I thought your children were all the uninvited year groups?
You are I take it quite happy for all those children already in school with parents working in the essential services your family uses?
I shall think of you on the Thursday clap.
They are there through necessity and very limited in number.
As for Thursday, Your clapping for essential services, Just as I will be, I'll be doing my best to keeping safe so I don't become part of the pandemic they are having to deal with. I'll be giving an extra thought to my niece who is in A&E in Reading, She already had CV-19 had shadows on her lung and been coughing up blood. Recovered and returned back to work leaving her 2 year old daughter each day.
I'm doing my bit by staying at home for at least 12 weeks, and donating now over 1,000 PPE face shields.
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