Immigration

[Hamble]

I'm quite shocked by the language and racism in this thread.

And I speak as one who effs and jeffs with alacrity.

Not the individual words, though. The attitude. This white supremacy - they-aren't-like-us, the you must assimilate like the 'Borg' bullcrap.

I can only repeat what others have said far more eloquently than I could. We've repeatedly invaded other countries, like many other European nations, and taken what we liked because we had bigger guns. Those countries won't have 'developed' any more or less quickly.

Immigration, not invasion, enriches countries. This idea of 'white Britain' is nonsense. Britain is Britain because we've been welcoming immigrants since time immemorial.

I don't care how white your skin is, you're a mixture of many races. Mine's nearly opaque (down to my Scottish side), but a gene test shows I'm a total mongrel: European, Middle Eastern, African, and even some far east. My daughter has been called the 'P' word her entire life. She isn't. I suspect if any can claim pure white Britishness, their gene pool is narrow enough to have some of their ancestors arrested.

Even our language, that we proudly claim is spoken worldwide, is a mish-mash of other languages.

Regarding 'dress', again what is 'British'? Are racist men going back to wearing skirts then? Because trousers are probably Chinese.

As far as European immigration is concerned, like us, those countries have large populations of dark skinned people. So we can allow FOM and they won't all be white. But more importantly, WTAF does it matter?

I would say that I do agree we may struggle a tad under the weight of 70 billion more people. Insert your own 'face palm' gif.

Totally I agree with you though I do not see all racism as clear cut as the colour of skin. Undeniably racist as it was to your poor daughter.

There is racism against cultural heritage.

[Toodles McGinty]

Totally I agree with you though I do not see all racism as clear cut as the colour of skin. Undeniably racist as it was to your poor daughter.

There is racism against cultural heritage.

Let's face it H, knuckle draggers will always find a way to make people 'other', whether it is nationality, religion, skin colour, race, it hardly matters. There has to be 'us' and 'them'.

I mainly put it down to stupidity. But it is far probably deeper and more complex than that.

The reason we had the gene tests done was down to her being called 'P---' all her life. Curiosity really. TBF, two hours in the sun and she does look Asian. Her Dad is quite Mediterranean looking. Oddly enough, there was no trace of South Asia in her test. Bit of African, lot of far eastern European. Quite a shock. Grandsons are the same. Granddaughter is pale like me. We look quite 'blended'

[bensherman]

When interviewing immigrants, no one asks

'Why do you come through all the different countries to get to Britain?'


When I was in India they all wanted to go to Britain.

When asked why they said

No 1 " Your government pay you not to work"

No 2 "You have free health care."

No 3 ."You get a pension."

1. If that was the motive, other European countries which pay more would attract them instead.
2, Ditto
3. See 1

Sweden takes more asylum applicants than us. Germany takes 4 times more and France 3 times more.

[said]

When interviewing immigrants, no one asks

'Why do you come through all the different countries to get to Britain?'


When I was in India they all wanted to go to Britain.

When asked why they said

No 1 " Your government pay you not to work"

No 2 "You have free health care."

No 3 ."You get a pension."

That, according to an Indian person who has been working here in the medical profession for many years, is correct, in fact it was he who mentioned it.

[said]

1. If that was the motive, other European countries which pay more would attract them instead.
2, Ditto
3. See 1

Sweden takes more asylum applicants than us. Germany takes 4 times more and France 3 times more.

Ah. Have you noticed that it is far easier to get benefits in the UK than most other European countries? Access to medical care varies.

"In fact, about two-thirds of the population purchases some kind of supplemental policy or enrolls in employer-sponsored healthcare that “cover services such as vision and dental care, prescription drugs, rehabilitation services, home care, and private rooms in hospitals.” Policies that would essentially duplicate physician and hospital services (like dual coverage in America) are not available." Employees Benefits Blog.

[Hamble]

Let's face it H, knuckle draggers will always find a way to make people 'other', whether it is nationality, religion, skin colour, race, it hardly matters. There has to be 'us' and 'them'.

I mainly put it down to stupidity. But it is far probably deeper and more complex than that.

The reason we had the gene tests done was down to her being called 'P---' all her life. Curiosity really. TBF, two hours in the sun and she does look Asian. Her Dad is quite Mediterranean looking. Oddly enough, there was no trace of South Asia in her test. Bit of African, lot of far eastern European. Quite a shock. Grandsons are the same. Granddaughter is pale like me. We look quite 'blended'

One day I will have a gene test it is so fascinating.

[said]

Of course I know how they are treated. First class, as their work at Southport and Aintree hospitals proves for a start when caring for my wife. Furthermore their work ethic is outstanding as with 99 per cent of those from abroad who work here.

You really should stick to making observations on subjects of which you have some knowledge, but that means you'd disappear for long periods.... Now there's a thought.

PS

"The majority of NHS staff in England are British – but around 15% are not. Around 190,000 out of 1.35 million staff report a non-British nationality. This is 14.6% of all staff for whom a nationality is known, or one in seven.


"Between them, these staff hold over 200 different nationalities. Over 70,000 are EU nationals – 5.4% of NHS staff in England. Over 75,000 (5.8%) report an Asian nationality. This data is correct at March 2021."

You do not know me, nor where I go, nor what I do, nor who I talk to - and yet you presume I know nothing. When people do that, they think everyone is on the same level as themselves. Understandable, since Southport has seen so much immigration over the recent years - the whole Town has declined to the level of those immigrants.

The Philippine staff to whom you refer, first of all have to borrow from relatives or agencies to pay for a four year long course including the English language. They then have to pay another agency to find them work. Then they have to pay for their own travel. Yes they are highly trained, probably a lot higher than our own NHS staff. They come over to the UK working on a contract. They can be sent to a local hospital, or at a few hours notice they can be required to work at another NHS hospital several hours travel away. They work long hard hours. Most of the money they earn while on contract is to pay for the loans taken out while training.

Compare that to the ease of training for local staff who already speak English fluently, and who belong to unions who protect them from working long hours.

I have been in hospitals where people are screaming in pain - and a nurse has looked at her watch and said "I have worked my shift, I'm off now" A Nurse from Liverpool that was. Selfish, no compassion.

I also know how Indian Doctors are trained in their own country. I know how African medical staff are trained. I also know that the NHS medical negligence claims have increased - so before your fingers get into action on the keyboard, get your brain into gear first.

When I disappear - I am travelling, and I have far more on my mind than responding to people wearing blinkers.

[seivad]

You do not know me, nor where I go, nor what I do, nor who I talk to - and yet you presume I know nothing. When people do that, they think everyone is on the same level as themselves. Understandable, since Southport has seen so much immigration over the recent years - the whole Town has declined to the level of those immigrants.

The Philippine staff to whom you refer, first of all have to borrow from relatives or agencies to pay for a four year long course including the English language. They then have to pay another agency to find them work. Then they have to pay for their own travel. Yes they are highly trained, probably a lot higher than our own NHS staff. They come over to the UK working on a contract. They can be sent to a local hospital, or at a few hours notice they can be required to work at another NHS hospital several hours travel away. They work long hard hours. Most of the money they earn while on contract is to pay for the loans taken out while training.

Compare that to the ease of training for local staff who already speak English fluently, and who belong to unions who protect them from working long hours.

I have been in hospitals where people are screaming in pain - and a nurse has looked at her watch and said "I have worked my shift, I'm off now" A Nurse from Liverpool that was. Selfish, no compassion.

I also know how Indian Doctors are trained in their own country. I know how African medical staff are trained. I also know that the NHS medical negligence claims have increased - so before your fingers get into action on the keyboard, get your brain into gear first.

When I disappear - I am travelling, and I have far more on my mind than responding to people wearing blinkers.

I know what you mean. I used to be like that too when I was travelling to the grocery store. It was so difficult trying to remember everything I needed to pick up. Nowadays I make a shopping list. Try it, it takes a load off your mind.

[seivad]

I've no big problem with people wearing outlandish garb per se. Even to the extent of males dressing as females, or vice versa - each to his own is fine by me......What does though seem out of place, is the way whole areas end up looking like parts of the Middle East.

Outlandish garb to you. Normal dress to the people who wear it. Your dress is equally outlandish to them.

Re. whole areas looking like parts of the Middle East. Is that why you moved from Scarisbrick to Marshside? I do hope the Middle Eastern hordes don't take root in Marshside next. It's such a problem in the Southport area.

I would also advise you not to cycle to areas outside your comfort zone.

I've always noticed that those who shout the loudest about non-white immigration, live in areas where the population is sparkling white. Perhaps exposure to a bit of diversity would do you some good.

[Toodles McGinty]

One day I will have a gene test it is so fascinating.

You should. It's very interesting. You might be 40% this or that as expected, but the rest is a real mix up of bits from here there and everywhere, I bet.

It's not cheap, I think it was about £150 for something that hardly matters at all. But it is fascinating.

[Stuartli]

When I disappear - I am travelling, and I have far more on my mind than responding to people wearing blinkers.

If you had the slightest clue about you are discussing, you'd be dangerous, yet you continue to serve up utter crass drivel.

I know far more about the nurses we are talking about (and that includes those from Asia) then you could ever possibly hope to do.

But, like The PNP, you keep coming up with unfounded arguments and expecting us to believe them, even though probably 90 per cent of forum members have dismissed you as way off the mark with your flawed offerings.

[Stuartli]

I have been in hospitals where people are screaming in pain - and a nurse has looked at her watch and said "I have worked my shift, I'm off now" A Nurse from Liverpool that was. Selfish, no compassion.

More Grimms' Fairy Tales. How you have the gall to write such crass nonsense beggars belief - even more so when you claim it's more than once.

You should be utterly ashamed.

[The PNP]

I've always noticed that those who shout the loudest about non-white immigration, live in areas where the population is sparkling white. Perhaps exposure to a bit of diversity would do you some good.

I've no problem with 'non-whites', be they black, brown, red or yellow of hue. Why would I.

I do however, have issues with people who decide to come here above anywhere else, then don't make any effort to fit in/become English.....E.g. by continuing to speak in an unintelligible language, carry out genital mutilation, go in for forced marriages and 'honour killings', don't adopt 'western' dress, etc.

A wall-poster I spotted in Wales, which obviously targeted 'immigrants' to Wales, also voiced my opinion of immigrants pretty well. It read: 'Assimilation not colonisation'.....The many 'foreign' neighbourhoods we have in our country, are invariably populated by one particular non-assimilating type. Perhaps that's their unspoken goal - 'colonisation' by stealth!

Btw, I am exposed to diversity, in particular whenever I have to visit an address in Lancashires old mill-towns, etc.

[local]

I've no problem with 'non-whites', be they black, brown, red or yellow of hue. Why would I.

I do however, have issues with people who decide to come here above anywhere else, then don't make any effort to fit in/become English.....E.g. by continuing to speak in an unintelligible language, carry out genital mutilation, go in for forced marriages and 'honour killings', don't adopt 'western' dress, etc.

A wall-poster I spotted in Wales, which obviously targeted 'immigrants' to Wales, also voiced my opinion of immigrants pretty well. It read: 'Assimilation not colonisation'.....The many 'foreign' neighbourhoods we have in our country, are invariably populated by one particular non-assimilating type. Perhaps that's their unspoken goal - 'colonisation' by stealth!

Btw, I am exposed to diversity, in particular whenever I have to visit an address in Lancashires old mill-towns, etc.

Not so sure Wales is a good model to quote for assimilation in the United Kingdom.

Might be as much as an own goal as "The Netherlands" is for you.


Did I mention how bad their traffic is in the Netherlands?

Log fires and wood burning stoves are much more polluting than thought, the Volkskrant reported on Tuesday. In fact, burning wood in home fires is responsible for 23% of fine particulate emissions in the Netherlands,

Read more at DutchNews.nl:

This means log fires and wood burning stoves are important contributors to fine particulate pollution, along with traffic, industry and agriculture.

Read more at DutchNews.nl:


Or maybe I could quote the biggest cause of accidents for cyclists,

themselves...........................

And that includes me.

[Hamble]

I've no problem with 'non-whites', be they black, brown, red or yellow of hue. Why would I.

I do however, have issues with people who decide to come here above anywhere else, then don't make any effort to fit in/become English.....E.g. by continuing to speak in an unintelligible language, carry out genital mutilation, go in for forced marriages and 'honour killings', don't adopt 'western' dress, etc.

A wall-poster I spotted in Wales, which obviously targeted 'immigrants' to Wales, also voiced my opinion of immigrants pretty well. It read: 'Assimilation not colonisation'.....The many 'foreign' neighbourhoods we have in our country, are invariably populated by one particular non-assimilating type. Perhaps that's their unspoken goal - 'colonisation' by stealth!

Btw, I am exposed to diversity, in particular whenever I have to visit an address in Lancashires old mill-towns, etc.

It is what you notice that counts.
Do you see the ethnic people living in back to back terraced houses?
Working for other people in traditionally low paid jobs?
Doing all the jobs non ethnics aspired past?
Delivery drivers working all the unsocial hours in filthy weather?

The mistake is the idea of forcing other cultures to be like white Brits.
For one thing it is their choice.
For another white Brit culture has some aspects as unacceptable as in the reverse.

I would replace 'assimilation' with 'Tolerance'.
It may sound a negative word.
First people have to accept difference and respect it to the point of one rule for all.

In the past this country went through accepting 'difference' in a another way.
Once people with physical or mental disability were treated despicably.
Accused of crimes shut away in institutions abused ridiculed and not tolerated.