Question Time

[Hamble]

Many of the Tories should be impaled on a damned pole!

[seivad]

Now don't go upsetting Hamble

She can take it!

[Hamble]

Now don't go upsetting Hamble

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...e/Diane_Abbott

[Hamble]

She can take it!

Corbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyn!


I meant to ask you sieved...can you watch QT live or do you
have to chase it?

[salus.populi]

Would you think a British Newspaper Poll is partisan?

Many polls are.
The point is getting the odds and accuracy right.
Polls are quoted for their accuracy not whether their owner is a Tory.

So on what basis did you conclude some polls were left wing and others were right wing but YouGov was non-partisan? (Apart from the fact you were using YouGov to back up your claim that Fiona Bruce was referring specifically to it when she didn't even mention it)

[seivad]

Corbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyncorbyn!


I meant to ask you sieved...can you watch QT live or do you
have to chase it?

We don't get QT, but we do get PM's Question Time. It's something that would be an amazing comedy, if only the participants weren't debating, and I use the word "debating" loosely, the future of your country.

[seivad]

Would you think a British Newspaper Poll is partisan?

Many polls are.
The point is getting the odds and accuracy right.
Polls are quoted for their accuracy not whether their owner is a Tory.

Sorry, Hamble, but any of your perceived acumen on polls took a huge nose dive when you forecast that May's withdrawal deal would pass with a small majority!

[Hamble]

We don't get QT, but we do get PM's Question Time. It's something that would be an amazing comedy, if only the participants weren't debating, and I use the word "debating" loosely, the future of your country.

Cannot be that bad you still support Remain and Labour!

[Hamble]

Sorry, Hamble, but any of your perceived acumen on polls took a huge nose dive when you forecast that May's withdrawal deal would pass with a small majority!

I own that and do not mind being wrong.
It was my opinion going against the polls and political commentary.


The fix now is a 'no deal' panic and an opposition leader who will not engage in talks to adjust TM's deal.

[seivad]

Cannot be that bad you still support Remain and Labour!

No point in supporting remain, that boat has passed. I don't support no deal. I do support a withdrawal deal that won't wreck your economy while your future relationship with the EU is being negotiated. May's withdrawal deal might have provided that, if only it wasn't for the NI backstop.

I think that 2 years for negotiation might be do-able. 3 Years would probably be a safer option. But you do need a legal commitment from the EU on the backstop and a final date. Did Cameron et al even consider the problems that would arise re. N.I?

[Hamble]

No point in supporting remain, that boat has passed. I don't support no deal. I do support a withdrawal deal that won't wreck your economy while your future relationship with the EU is being negotiated. May's withdrawal deal might have provided that, if only it wasn't for the NI backstop.

I think that 2 years for negotiation might be do-able. 3 Years would probably be a safer option. But you do need a legal commitment from the EU on the backstop and a final date. Did Cameron et al even consider the problems that would arise re. N.I?

A vote on leaving the EU came up every election local and general as regularly as the Capital Punishment call.
It was a vote catcher increasingly through austerity.

Cameron gave the voters what they wanted on the EU vote.
I do not think he expected to lose.


So I take you are in favour of a 'renegotiated' May deal?

[Styx]

So I take you are in favour of a 'renegotiated' May deal?

Pointless exercise.

All we are ever going to get is a punishment deal.

[seivad]

A vote on leaving the EU came up every election local and general as regularly as the Capital Punishment call.
It was a vote catcher increasingly through austerity.

After 10 years of Tory austerity I'm not at all surprised that people wanted change. However, the rabid right stirred the pot and put all of the blame for your government's policies on the EU. Hate to say it, but when austerity continues post Brexit, you'll soon be enlightened.

Cameron gave the voters what they wanted on the EU vote.
I do not think he expected to lose.

No, he most certainly didn't! The fool should never have offered a referendum. I'm not denigrating voters, but the great majority wouldn't have had the knowledge to make an analysis of the spurious information that was fed to them... many still don't.

So I take you are in favour of a 'renegotiated' May deal?

I have a feeling that's what will happen... if she can get the backstop sorted. The EU needs you as much as you need them, it's in both your interests to settle. They're saying no, but you're coming down to the wire now. Who knows.

I know some MPS fancy a Norway type deal, but that won't wash. You'd have to accept the same terms as if you were in the EU, and pay for the privilege... with no say. As someone who, had I lived in the UK, would have voted Remain, I wouldn't be happy with that. Leavers would be even more unhappy.

[Hamble]

Pointless exercise.

All we are ever going to get is a punishment deal.

I hear rumblings of action around the fear of no deal.

Fingers crossed!

[Hamble]

So on what basis did you conclude some polls were left wing and others were right wing but YouGov was non-partisan? (Apart from the fact you were using YouGov to back up your claim that Fiona Bruce was referring specifically to it when she didn't even mention it)

Fact!
If a newspaper holds a readership poll it is biased to the general readership of that paper.
Papers with wide differing political views such as THE SUN and THE GUARDIAN.

I would expect to find a bias in Trade Union Polls.

Did Dianne Abbott specifically mention the polls she was quoting from?