Alignment with the EU

[bensherman]

Surely even as far back as 2016 those supporting this must have realised the EU were never going to give us tariff and quota free access to the market they spent 20 years creating, pay no membership dues, and without aligning standards?

If they did they were either dishonest or stupid ( or both ) and then had four years to explain to the British people that this was somewhere we would have to compromise.

But instead they made speeches where they boasted of how post-Brexit we would be able to this that and the other which the EU stops us doing. We made a fuss about a trade deal with the US where cutting standards would undoubtedly be needed. So did they think the EU were not listening?

When we had the election hustings in Southport last year I asked a question about this and our lobby fodder MP clearly did not grasp the significance of the problem. He simply recited the mantra about "They need us as much as we need them" etc ( which is not true anyway)

It's us who are inflexible. Or naive . Or liars.

[Hamble]

Surely even as far back as 2016 those supporting this must have realised the EU were never going to give us tariff and quota free access to the market they spent 20 years creating, pay no membership dues, and without aligning standards?

If they did they were either dishonest or stupid ( or both ) and then had four years to explain to the British people that this was somewhere we would have to compromise.

But instead they made speeches where they boasted of how post-Brexit we would be able to this that and the other which the EU stops us doing. We made a fuss about a trade deal with the US where cutting standards would undoubtedly be needed. So did they think the EU were not listening?

When we had the election hustings in Southport last year I asked a question about this and our lobby fodder MP clearly did not grasp the significance of the problem. He simply recited the mantra about "They need us as much as we need them" etc ( which is not true anyway)

It's us who are inflexible. Or naive . Or liars.

You like others did not like the UK when it was in the EU so how about a bit of democratic willingness to move on?

[bensherman]

Don't understand

Where have I ever said I didn't "like the UK"? On the contrary.

And what does that have to do with alignment?

[said]

Surely even as far back as 2016 those supporting this must have realised the EU were never going to give us tariff and quota free access to the market they spent 20 years creating, pay no membership dues, and without aligning standards?

If they did they were either dishonest or stupid ( or both ) and then had four years to explain to the British people that this was somewhere we would have to compromise.

But instead they made speeches where they boasted of how post-Brexit we would be able to this that and the other which the EU stops us doing. We made a fuss about a trade deal with the US where cutting standards would undoubtedly be needed. So did they think the EU were not listening?

When we had the election hustings in Southport last year I asked a question about this and our lobby fodder MP clearly did not grasp the significance of the problem. He simply recited the mantra about "They need us as much as we need them" etc ( which is not true anyway)

It's us who are inflexible. Or naive . Or liars.

There are 27 countries in the EU, and there are about 26 European countries which are not in the EU. Of these several are EFTA members who trade with the EU - but who are not members of the EU and do not pay EU membership fees.

The UK trade with the EU resulted in a negative balance of payments, meaning that the UK was importing far more from the EU than it was exporting to the EU. Any goods from outside the EU, which PASSED through the EU countries was classed as being FROM the EU. British trade Worldwide resulted in a positive balance of payments - meaning we exported more to countries outside the EU. Under the arrangement for a single market, the UK was not allowed to produce certain agricultural goods since these were produced in other EU countries in support of a single market. The UK is expected to expand its production in these areas to create a totally domestic market.

[The PNP]

The UK trade with the EU resulted in a negative balance of payments, meaning that the UK was importing far more from the EU than it was exporting to the EU. Any goods from outside the EU, which PASSED through the EU countries was classed as being FROM the EU. British trade Worldwide resulted in a positive balance of payments - meaning we exported more to countries outside the EU. Under the arrangement for a single market, the UK was not allowed to produce certain agricultural goods since these were produced in other EU countries in support of a single market. The UK is expected to expand its production in these areas to create a totally domestic market.

^Baloney!

[sandGroundZero]

With reference to post #4:
Comparisons with other non-EU countries and arguments pertaining to the 'balance of trade' have been exhaustively debated over four years. In less than two weeks we will have exited the transition period (barring last minute extension). The United Kingdom will not (I confidently assert) sink into the sea. We will, however, begin to know whether the adverse predictions:

• vis-à-vis trade among manufacturing firms with extensive customer networks and/or collaboration will prove to have be exaggerated; or
• whether supply chains for food and other goods are negatively impacted; and
• how our economy copes with stricter migration rules.

It is not looking auspicious. But of course, appearances could be deceiving.

[Alikado]

There are 27 countries in the EU, and there are about 26 European countries which are not in the EU. Of these several are EFTA members who trade with the EU - but who are not members of the EU and do not pay EU membership fees.

The UK trade with the EU resulted in a negative balance of payments, meaning that the UK was importing far more from the EU than it was exporting to the EU. Any goods from outside the EU, which PASSED through the EU countries was classed as being FROM the EU. British trade Worldwide resulted in a positive balance of payments - meaning we exported more to countries outside the EU. Under the arrangement for a single market, the UK was not allowed to produce certain agricultural goods since these were produced in other EU countries in support of a single market. The UK is expected to expand its production in these areas to create a totally domestic market.

Proof please, I'm thinking of starting up production, I might have found a niche market.

[silver fox]

You like others did not like the UK when it was in the EU so how about a bit of democratic willingness to move on?

When has anyone on here said they don’t like the UK? The majority of Remainers are now and have always been more concerned for the welfare of OUR country and it’s people, just because we feel Brexit to be a retrograde step does not mean we think any less of OUR country, far from it, of course your concept of democratic willingness translates as all hail “President” Johnson as the saviour of the nation, when many of feel that we have been sold down the river on a wave of lies and unfillable promises.

[donkey22]

Proof please, I'm thinking of starting up production, I might have found a niche market.

We’ll no doubt be back in the EU again before you get any reliable sources from u/n said.

[Hamble]

Don't understand

Where have I ever said I didn't "like the UK"? On the contrary.

And what does that have to do with alignment?

Quote H
"did not like the UK when it was in the EU".

The whole point of Brexit is to do business differently not 'alignment'.

[silver fox]

Proof please, I'm thinking of starting up production, I might have found a niche market.

Don’t hold your breath, this is clearly from the said book of alternative facts, translates as figments of a deluded imagination.

[gsgsgs]

There are 27 countries in the EU, and there are about 26 European countries which are not in the EU. Of these several are EFTA members who trade with the EU - but who are not members of the EU and do not pay EU membership fees.

The UK trade with the EU resulted in a negative balance of payments, meaning that the UK was importing far more from the EU than it was exporting to the EU. Any goods from outside the EU, which PASSED through the EU countries was classed as being FROM the EU. British trade Worldwide resulted in a positive balance of payments - meaning we exported more to countries outside the EU. Under the arrangement for a single market, the UK was not allowed to produce certain agricultural goods since these were produced in other EU countries in support of a single market. The UK is expected to expand its production in these areas to create a totally domestic market.

According to the UN there are 44 countries in Europe, with 27 EU countries this leaves 17 non EU countries where do you get 26?

Edit:
In addition there are 7 transcontinental countries bordering Europe & Asia

[silver fox]

According to the UN there are 44 countries in Europe, with 27 EU countries this leaves 17 non EU countries where do you get 26?

Edit:
In addition there are 7 transcontinental countries bordering Europe & Asia

Don’t worry, actual facts aren’t said’s strongpoint.

[bensherman]

Quote H
"did not like the UK when it was in the EU".

The whole point of Brexit is to do business differently not 'alignment'.

Oh it will be different all right.

[bensherman]

We’ll no doubt be back in the EU again before you get any reliable sources from u/n said.

Err no.
If only
But sadly if we reapplied we would not join with the rebates and opt-outs we had as members.
And we may be required to join the euro.
And if we had a referendum on those terms I would be very surprised indeed if it was approved.