Retirement age 75.

[Hamble]

The far left is no better. But we aren't talking about the far left. There is no 'far' left party in contention for government. We are, however, talking about the current government. The actual people in power and their policies.

Policies such as dying universal credit claimants be forced to attend work assessments. Are you outraged about that? I am. I'm beyond livid. You think immigrants have caused that?

Immigration is a smokescreen. A distraction. If you want balance of finances in this country, get the rich to pay more tax. Get huge multinational corporations to pay ANY tax, much less the tax they should be paying. Whatever the benefits bill is, it is nothing compared to the tax dodgers, the offshore account holders, the crooks and thieves supported by this current government.

Sort that lot out, then tell me people need to retire at 75 after paying in all of their lives. Tell me dying people need benefit sanctions after the filthy rich stop looking after the filthy rich.

You misunderstood me.

If Hitler/Nazism is on the far rightest of the right the opposite end of the scale is the far leftist left- Radical Islamic Terrorism.

What have you got against out of EU Immigration?

I am against the EU free movement of people with no means of support as it has led to rationing of public services and will continue as the population rises whichever Government is in power had we remained in the EU.

I am also against people trafficking and modern slavery enabled by the EU Schengen States.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

You misunderstood me.

If Hitler/Nazism is on the far rightest of the right the opposite end of the scale is the far leftist left- Radical Islamic Terrorism.

What have you got against out of EU Immigration?

I am against the EU free movement of people with no means of support as it has led to rationing of public services and will continue as the population rises whichever Government is in power had we remained in the EU.

I am also against people trafficking and modern slavery enabled by the EU Schengen States.

The reason public services have been rationed is because that party of money worshiping psychopaths you support get enjoyment out of inflicting pain on the less well off, the sick and the disabled while lining the pockets at every turn!

[salus.populi]

You misunderstood me.

If Hitler/Nazism is on the far rightest of the right the opposite end of the scale is the far leftist left- Radical Islamic Terrorism.

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How on earth do you equate radical islamic terrorism to be left wing?

[Mr B S Sniffer]

How on earth do you equate radical islamic terrorism to be left wing?

This may shed some light

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8494796.html

[Toodles McGinty]

You misunderstood me.

If Hitler/Nazism is on the far rightest of the right the opposite end of the scale is the far leftist left- Radical Islamic Terrorism.

What have you got against out of EU Immigration?

I am against the EU free movement of people with no means of support as it has led to rationing of public services and will continue as the population rises whichever Government is in power had we remained in the EU.

I am also against people trafficking and modern slavery enabled by the EU Schengen States.

I don't think radical Islamic terrorism is far left. Are they Marxists or communists? I'd have thought the fact that they are religious fanatics precludes them from Marxism, wouldn't you? Because far-right terrorism targets minorities such as Muslims or Jews, doesn't automatically mean that Muslims or Jews (or feminists, or gays, or blacks etc) have the polar opposite political views. Where do you keep your copy of Das Kapital?

I'm not against out-of-EU immigration. I'm not against any immigration at all, as long as they aren't criminals. I do think that by closing the doors to the EU, we will have to open the doors to Asia and Africa. So if Islamic terrorists want to come here, they won't need to bother going through the Schengen zone.

I also quite like my freedom of movement without bother at borders. So if anyone says 'you'll still be able to travel throughout Europe', then so will anybody else. Including Islamic terrorists. I really don't see that leaving the EU will stop criminals coming here. It might stop essential workers such as agricultural employees. But not determined terrorists.

There isn't a drawbridge to pull up. Slavery is here and won't stop because of passport checks. There'll still be people held in the back of lorries, crossing the channel.

All that will happen is that everything will either cost more or be of lower quality. Trade deals will include freedom of movement. That's already been established. Leaving doesn't mean we'll be this solitary island with no dodgy people popping in or out.

This may shed some light

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8494796.html

Excellent piece. They did the same to Ed Miliband. Labour must terrify them. And not because the words 'Democratic Socialism' has them clutching their pearls.

[Hamble]

How on earth do you equate radical islamic terrorism to be left wing?

On the UK political spectrum farthest left is Radical Islam as on the opposite end of the spectrum farthest right is Fascism.

[Hamble]

I don't think radical Islamic terrorism is far left. Are they Marxists or communists? I'd have thought the fact that they are religious fanatics precludes them from Marxism, wouldn't you? Because far-right terrorism targets minorities such as Muslims or Jews, doesn't automatically mean that Muslims or Jews (or feminists, or gays, or blacks etc) have the polar opposite political views. Where do you keep your copy of Das Kapital?

I'm not against out-of-EU immigration. I'm not against any immigration at all, as long as they aren't criminals. I do think that by closing the doors to the EU, we will have to open the doors to Asia and Africa. So if Islamic terrorists want to come here, they won't need to bother going through the Schengen zone.

I also quite like my freedom of movement without bother at borders. So if anyone says 'you'll still be able to travel throughout Europe', then so will anybody else. Including Islamic terrorists. I really don't see that leaving the EU will stop criminals coming here. It might stop essential workers such as agricultural employees. But not determined terrorists.

There isn't a drawbridge to pull up. Slavery is here and won't stop because of passport checks. There'll still be people held in the back of lorries, crossing the channel.

All that will happen is that everything will either cost more or be of lower quality. Trade deals will include freedom of movement. That's already been established. Leaving doesn't mean we'll be this solitary island with no dodgy people popping in or out.



Excellent piece. They did the same to Ed Miliband. Labour must terrify them. And not because the words 'Democratic Socialism' has them clutching their pearls.

I guess the Democratic Socialism is a little soured by an supporting
theocrats and misogynists.

Radical Islam votes left not right.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

I guess the Democratic Socialism is a little soured by an supporting
theocrats and misogynists.

Radical Islam votes left not right.

[Hamble]

No figures on Radical Islamic voters specifically of course though Labour still has the Muslim vote.

https://mcb.org.uk/project/muslim-vote/


"Rukiya Dadhiwala, the MPacUK campaign co-ordinator, however, does not believe that the bulk of Muslim voters will revert to their old habits and vote in the main for Labour candidates. "Muslim voters can no longer be taken for granted by Labour as a new politicised generation are becoming swing voters who demand action on issues from Palestine to antiterror laws," he says. dsapsted@thenational.ae"

Updated: April 17, 2010 04:00 AM

https://www.thenational.ae/world/eur...ction-1.533493

[Mr B S Sniffer]

I don't think radical Islamic terrorism is far left. Are they Marxists or communists? I'd have thought the fact that they are religious fanatics precludes them from Marxism, wouldn't you? Because far-right terrorism targets minorities such as Muslims or Jews, doesn't automatically mean that Muslims or Jews (or feminists, or gays, or blacks etc) have the polar opposite political views. Where do you keep your copy of Das Kapital?

I'm not against out-of-EU immigration. I'm not against any immigration at all, as long as they aren't criminals. I do think that by closing the doors to the EU, we will have to open the doors to Asia and Africa. So if Islamic terrorists want to come here, they won't need to bother going through the Schengen zone.

I also quite like my freedom of movement without bother at borders. So if anyone says 'you'll still be able to travel throughout Europe', then so will anybody else. Including Islamic terrorists. I really don't see that leaving the EU will stop criminals coming here. It might stop essential workers such as agricultural employees. But not determined terrorists.

There isn't a drawbridge to pull up. Slavery is here and won't stop because of passport checks. There'll still be people held in the back of lorries, crossing the channel.

All that will happen is that everything will either cost more or be of lower quality. Trade deals will include freedom of movement. That's already been established. Leaving doesn't mean we'll be this solitary island with no dodgy people popping in or out.



Excellent piece. They did the same to Ed Miliband. Labour must terrify them. And not because the words 'Democratic Socialism' has them clutching their pearls.

Happy to remind people

[Hamble]

Happy to remind people

Happy to remind you that a Labour PM

Quote
"During the 1945 British election, Labour pledged that if they returned to power, they would revoke the White Paper of 1939, permit free Jewish immigration to Palestine and even the transfer of Arabs, and turn Palestine into a Jewish national home that would gradually evolve into an independent state.
Labour Foreign Secretary, Ernest Bevin, decided to maintain heavy restrictions on Jewish immigration. Before the war, Bevin had been the head of Britain's largest trade-union, the TGWU and in this capacity had led a campaign to prevent German Jews being allowed to migrate to Britain.
Bevin favored the White Paper's policy of turning Palestine into an Arab state with a Jewish minority that would have political and economic rights, and feared that the creation of a Jewish state would inflame Arab opinion and jeopardize Britain's position as the dominant power in the Middle East. Bevin also believed that displaced Holocaust survivors should be resettled in Europe instead of Palestine."

[Mr B S Sniffer]

No figures on Radical Islamic voters specifically of course though Labour still has the Muslim vote.

https://mcb.org.uk/project/muslim-vote/


"Rukiya Dadhiwala, the MPacUK campaign co-ordinator, however, does not believe that the bulk of Muslim voters will revert to their old habits and vote in the main for Labour candidates. "Muslim voters can no longer be taken for granted by Labour as a new politicised generation are becoming swing voters who demand action on issues from Palestine to antiterror laws," he says. dsapsted@thenational.ae"

Updated: April 17, 2010 04:00 AM

https://www.thenational.ae/world/eur...ction-1.533493

The thread is titled "retirement age 75"

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Happy to remind you that a Labour PM

Quote
"During the 1945 British election, Labour pledged that if they returned to power, they would revoke the White Paper of 1939, permit free Jewish immigration to Palestine and even the transfer of Arabs, and turn Palestine into a Jewish national home that would gradually evolve into an independent state.
Labour Foreign Secretary, Ernest Bevin, decided to maintain heavy restrictions on Jewish immigration. Before the war, Bevin had been the head of Britain's largest trade-union, the TGWU and in this capacity had led a campaign to prevent German Jews being allowed to migrate to Britain.
Bevin favored the White Paper's policy of turning Palestine into an Arab state with a Jewish minority that would have political and economic rights, and feared that the creation of a Jewish state would inflame Arab opinion and jeopardize Britain's position as the dominant power in the Middle East. Bevin also believed that displaced Holocaust survivors should be resettled in Europe instead of Palestine."

You managed to get the right one this time!

Happy to remind you that the Conservatives have a whole page of their own on the subject on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antise...ervative_Party

[Toodles McGinty]

No figures on Radical Islamic voters specifically of course though Labour still has the Muslim vote.

https://mcb.org.uk/project/muslim-vote/

Whoa. Stop right there, H.

I'm a white person. Born into Christianity. As yet I haven't gone to a Norwegian island and shot a load of schoolkids. Nor have I donned a bedsheet and hung any black people or burned a load of crosses. I've not shot a load of worshippers in a synagogue, nor taken pot-shots at a crowd of concert-goers in Las Vegas.

I'll assume you've never shot dead a Palestinian kid.

So shall we agree there's a hell of a difference between the general Muslim community, or Muslim whatever-party voters, and radical Islamic terrorists?

Just wondering why Baroness Warsi isn't a Labour voter?

Such dangerous generalisations.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Whoa. Stop right there, H.

I'm a white person. Born into Christianity. As yet I haven't gone to a Norwegian island and shot a load of schoolkids. Nor have I donned a bedsheet and hung any black people or burned a load of crosses. I've not shot a load of worshippers in a synagogue, nor taken pot-shots at a crowd of concert-goers in Las Vegas.

I'll assume you've never shot dead a Palestinian kid.

So shall we agree there's a hell of a difference between the general Muslim community, or Muslim whatever-party voters, and radical Islamic terrorists?

Just wondering why Baroness Warsi isn't a Labour voter?

Such dangerous generalisations.

And this fella