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Originally Posted by The PNP
They'll not be of use, without a decent understanding of our language. Imagine some non-fluent foreign bloke on a construction site - who didn't understand in time, when someone shouts LOOK OUT! to him!
A large proportion of construction workers these days have arrived here from abroad and the majority are excellent, hard working members of the trade.
You don't also seem to recognise that English is one of the most used languages in the world and visitors to this country demonstrate it on a regular basis or, alternatively, if we meet them on our own travels.
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Originally Posted by Stuartli
A large proportion of construction workers these days have arrived here from abroad and the majority are excellent, hard working members of the trade.
You don't also seem to recognise that English is one of the most used languages in the world and visitors to this country demonstrate it on a regular basis or, alternatively, if we meet them on our own travels.
Every country has a greatly varying standard of building. The UK in the 1930's had the highest standards known. So if you live in a 1930's house that has been looked after you should have no problems. Bulgarian builders used orange boxes piled on top of one another for scaffolding and would carry out their work in flip flop shoes. They were good workers, but shoddy by our own standards. Polish building workers are more used to building with ceramic bricks with the external side plastered over and painted.
A report on Polish workers:
"The weirdest thing for me is that it seems to be just accepted by everyone that many construction workers drink. That’s something I can’t understand. Granted, not all of them drink. In fact I think the guys who worked inside our house didn’t drink but they weren’t very good anyway. Funnily enough, the guys who worked outside like on the driveway did drink and they did a rather good job. Strange, but true. "
Latvian rural properties are built with logs over concrete foundations, etc., But since the standards for house building in the UK has dropped considerably, and the materials are of far lesser quality than they used to be - I guess it does not matter if houses are merely stuck together with glue.
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Originally Posted by Stuartli
A large proportion of construction workers these days have arrived here from abroad and the majority are excellent, hard working members of the trade.
You don't also seem to recognise that English is one of the most used languages in the world and visitors to this country demonstrate it on a regular basis or, alternatively, if we meet them on our own travels.
A proportion of 'arrivals' may speak some English, as I speak a little French. I.e, the schoolboy stuff that's just enough to ask directions and buy things from a shop. A listener may easily assume I'm fluent, but I couldn't hold a decent conversation for toffee, and certainly don't know all the essential 'shouts' when it comes to health and safety.
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Originally Posted by said
Every country has a greatly varying standard of building. The UK in the 1930's had the highest standards known. So if you live in a 1930's house that has been looked after you should have no problems. Bulgarian builders used orange boxes piled on top of one another for scaffolding and would carry out their work in flip flop shoes. They were good workers, but shoddy by our own standards. Polish building workers are more used to building with ceramic bricks with the external side plastered over and painted.
A report on Polish workers:
"The weirdest thing for me is that it seems to be just accepted by everyone that many construction workers drink. That’s something I can’t understand. Granted, not all of them drink. In fact I think the guys who worked inside our house didn’t drink but they weren’t very good anyway. Funnily enough, the guys who worked outside like on the driveway did drink and they did a rather good job. Strange, but true. "
Latvian rural properties are built with logs over concrete foundations, etc., But since the standards for house building in the UK has dropped considerably, and the materials are of far lesser quality than they used to be - I guess it does not matter if houses are merely stuck together with glue.
Have you been on that Google again?
Our building standards are certainly not "the highest standards known".
It isn't that long ago that the estate opposite the hospital advertised for builders and you were laying brick the next day for the first time in your life.
There are many many examples of horrendous standards around.
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Originally Posted by local
Have you been on that Google again?
Our building standards are certainly not "the highest standards known".
It isn't that long ago that the estate opposite the hospital advertised for builders and you were laying brick the next day for the first time in your life.
There are many many examples of horrendous standards around.
It was not only the builders of that site that made errors. Look closely at the buildings. Also ask yourself why they are mostly bungalows. Then go around the corner and have a look at those buildings on Southport Road. The workmanship is good, it is just that..................
Are you referring in particular buildings which have been built over tributaries of Fine Jayne?
Years ago, there would be a master builder/stonemason/metal worker etc., in a family and their son's/cousins/nephews would follow the trade and continue on with the experiences learned. That does not happen anymore because the work is not available or because the pay is not worth their while.
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Originally Posted by Alikado
Your link doesn't say it was corrupt, just not working, is it any different EIGHT YEARS later?
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"Student visas
There have also been difficulties with the management of student visas under Tier 4 of the Points-Based System. The assessment of the Independent Chief Inspector, carried out between July and August 2010, found that there was an inconsistent response towards applications, with some cases given extra time to prepare and others dismissed for minor reasons."
Dropped casework
In November 2011, the Home Affairs Select Committee issued a report that found that 124,000 deportation cases had been shelved by the UKBA. The report said the cases had been dumped in a "controlled archive", a term used to try to hide the fact from authorities and auditors that it was a list of lost applicants.[18]
Border checks
Following allegations that staff were told to relax some identity checks, in November 2011 the UK Home Office suspended: Brodie Clark, the Head of the Border Force;[19] Carole Upshall, director of the Border Force South and European Operation;[citation needed] Graham Kyle, director of operations at Heathrow Airport.[19] The Home Office is presently investigating allegations that Clark had agreed to "open up the borders" at certain times in ways ministers would "not have agreed with".[19] The BBC reported that staff may have been told not to scan biometric passports at certain times, which contain a digital image of the holder's face, which can be used to compare with the printed version and check the passport has not been forged.[19] It is also believed that "warning index checks" at Heathrow and Calais were also suspended, which would have applied strict security checks against official watchlists of terrorists, criminals, and deported illegal immigrants.[20]
After Clark refused the offer to take early retirement, he was suspended and the investigation began.[19] A two-week inquiry led by former Metropolitan Police detective Dave Wood, currently head of the agency's enforcement and crime group, sought to discover to what extent checks were scaled down, and what the security implications might have been. A second investigation, led by former MI6 official Mike Anderson, the Director General of the Home Office's strategy, immigration and international group, sought to investigate wider issues relating to the performance of UKBA regarding racism.
It was then announced on 5 November by Theresa May that an independent inquiry would also be undertaken, led by the Chief Inspector of the UK Border Agency, John Vine.[21] His report was published on 20 February 2012.[22] The Border Force became a separate organisation on 1 March 2012.[23]
2014 Sham Weddings Trial Collapse
In October 2014, the trial of the Reverend Nathan Ntege – accused of conducting almost 500 sham marriages at a church in Thornton Heath, South London between 2007 and 2011 – collapsed after it became apparent that evidence had been tampered with, concealed, or even possibly destroyed. As immigration officers were questioned in the witness box of the Inner London Crown Court it became clear that not only had video footage gone missing but that an investigation log had been tampered with. The trial was halted by Judge Nic Madge, who said in court: "I am satisfied that officers at the heart of this prosecution have deliberately concealed important evidence and lied on oath. The bad faith and misconduct started in 2011, when two of the principal defendants were arrested, and has continued throughout the course of this trial. In my judgment, it has tainted the whole case. It has tainted the prosecution against all seven defendants. It is a case in which the prosecution should not be allowed to benefit from the serious misbehaviour of the officer in the case or the disclosure officer". The Reverend Ntege and six other defendants were formally acquitted of all 17 charges, which related to marriages of convenience in order to bypass immigration laws. Channel 4 News later reported that three immigration officers had been suspended and that the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) would be conducting an investigation. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said that it accepted that the handling of the case had fallen below acceptable standards and that it would conduct a full review."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Border_Agency
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