Wearing a mask

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Put simply :-

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I do hope the prof will keep his trousers on.

[Alikado]

Yes I ALWAYS thought that also, pretty blooming obvious , masks are pretty useless really but better than nothing, those that refuse to wear them on medical grounds are their own worse enemy, looking for confrontation and a bit thick.
If you have COPD or breathing difficulties and you end up in a covid ward you will be ok until it gets busy and full on the ward and they need that ventilator for someone who has a better chance, they are just going to turn you off .
So if you are problematic already instead of crying wah wah I can’t wear a mask get it into your thick head this could finish you.

The seemingly perverse reasoning for people with breathing problems being exempt is if they have difficulty any further obstruction / difficulty imposed could exasperate the problem further. Not all people with breathing issues have problems with the lung end many like myself have nasal problems, I wear a mask mostly but I can only use it for a short time.

[Toodles McGinty]

It is not 'having the balls' to say I refuse to wear one. The fact that they are not wearing a mask and not following the masses - is an indication to the fact that anyone confronting them would get a real mouthful.

In other words, a complete a-hole.

You're spreading lies and disinformation about a potentially deadly disease. Again.

Those who are not wearing one for a valid reason should not be confronted, their health issues are personal and none of anyone else's business. Those who do not wear a mask otherwise, are fully aware of the behaviour of viruses, and the ineffectual practices you are being asked to follow.

In terms of spreading this disease, not wearing a mask is everybody's business. I know severe asthmatics who wear a mask while they are out or in shops. Wearing a mask doesn't make you stupid, 'controlled', or gullible. It indicates you are a considerate person who doesn't want to spread a disease. It makes you a fully functioning adult who takes responsibility for their own actions. Part of the solution, not part of the problem.

I have given you scientific evidence below on the wearing of masks. National Geographic published an article on 'Sneezing' or coughing. The articles are submitted by scientists. One needs to be at least 20 metres away from the person sneezing to avoid contamination!

You have on one side what the television, government specialists and the media tell you. On the other side you have what scientists say.

More bull. You're quoting reports from the 1980s? 90s? A few barely in this century? Get a grip. The 'television, government specialists and the media' and science are all on the same side. Those anti-masker, David Icke, pseudo-scientists are full of it. Petty selfish little whingers who have decided their 'freedom' is somehow being taken because they've got to wear a mask for 20 minutes in Tesco. It's pathetic. If you think wearing a mask will block oxygen to your brain, that ship has already sailed.

There are some with genuine medical concerns regarding masks, but they are few and far between.

[seivad]

You put a GCSE length composition about wearing a mask yet one of you doesn't know everything about Martin Mere

Is copying and pasting a GCSE subject now? If so, I doubt that (s)he would pass. Despite the years of practice, (s)he still hasn't mastered the art of copying the source text without the formatting.

Then there's the issue of citing out of date scientific studies when science is a constantly evolving subject. Current scientific studies wouldn't support his/her agenda. The link to a scientific brief below is one example, backed by 45 scientific studies.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html


(S)he has moved on from Martin Mere after mistakenly claiming that a Mythop farmer and his 4 sons drained the mere, when in fact they drained Marton Mere.

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Is copying and pasting a GCSE subject now? If so, I doubt that (s)he would pass. Despite the years of practice, (s)he still hasn't mastered the art of copying the source text without the formatting.

Then there's the issue of citing out of date scientific studies when science is a constantly evolving subject. Current scientific studies wouldn't support his/her agenda. The link to a scientific brief below is one example, backed by 45 scientific studies.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html


(S)he has moved on from Martin Mere after mistakenly claiming that a Mythop farmer and his 4 sons drained the mere, when in fact they drained Marton Mere.

Your link is a government link?? Who is promoting this virus, and why?? The government is under huge pressure to ensure the greater number of people believe in this virus. Please give me a completely impartial report from an unrelated source.

Even in the above link, it states that masks are 'helpful' not totally effective. The report refers to particles/microbes less than 10 microns that is 10 millionths of a metre, wheras viruses are 400 billionths of a metre - a thousand times smaller. Take a ruler, look at the centimetre scale on it. 1 centimetre is one hundreth of a meter: 1mm is one tenth of a centimetre - so 10 x 100 = 1000, One millimetre is a thousandth of a metre (10^-3m) Now divide that millimetre into a thousand lengths (10^-6m) micron, then divide those lengths into anther thousand lengths = the size of a virus. A period on this page is about half a mm. Right, now according to the link you have given - the perforations on a mask prevent particles of less than 10 millionths passing through (In real life, not unless you have paid out around £80 for a mask) anyway, let's just pretend Yes, there are a couple of layers in a mask - cab you breath air through the mask? Of course - right so if viruses are carried on air, and air gets through your mask - would you not consider that a virus travels on that air that you are breathing in?


On the map you have submitted Seivad - Martin Mere is referred to as Marton Mere. Focus on that title and expand it - you will see I am right.

A GCSE Science level was used so that you could all understand it - obviously some seem to be challenged.

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Your link is a government link?? Who is promoting this virus, and why?? The government is under huge pressure to ensure the greater number of people believe in this virus. Please give me a completely impartial report from an unrelated source.

Even in the above link, it states that masks are 'helpful' not totally effective. The report refers to particles/microbes less than 10 microns that is 10 millionths of a metre, wheras viruses are 400 billionths of a metre - a thousand times smaller. Take a ruler, look at the centimetre scale on it. 1 centimetre is one hundreth of a meter: 1mm is one tenth of a centimetre - so 10 x 100 = 1000, One millimetre is a thousandth of a metre (10^-3m) Now divide that millimetre into a thousand lengths (10^-6m) micron, then divide those lengths into anther thousand lengths = the size of a virus. A period on this page is about half a mm. Right, now according to the link you have given - the perforations on a mask prevent particles of less than 10 millionths passing through (In real life, not unless you have paid out around £80 for a mask) anyway, let's just pretend Yes, there are a couple of layers in a mask - cab you breath air through the mask? Of course - right so if viruses are carried on air, and air gets through your mask - would you not consider that a virus travels on that air that you are breathing in?


On the map you have submitted Seivad - Martin Mere is referred to as Marton Mere. Focus on that title and expand it - you will see I am right.

A GCSE Science level was used so that you could all understand it - obviously some seem to be challenged.

I gave you an impartial source which completely undermines your theory you ignored it.

You have the science wrong, read the articles I have linked above you have misunderstood the science.

Or see it below,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tp0zB904Mc

https://indianexpress.com/article/tr...-mask-6487047/

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In other words, a complete a-hole.

You're spreading lies and disinformation about a potentially deadly disease. Again.

In terms of spreading this disease, not wearing a mask is everybody's business. I know severe asthmatics who wear a mask while they are out or in shops. Wearing a mask doesn't make you stupid, 'controlled', or gullible. It indicates you are a considerate person who doesn't want to spread a disease. It makes you a fully functioning adult who takes responsibility for their own actions. Part of the solution, not part of the problem.

More bull. You're quoting reports from the 1980s? 90s? A few barely in this century? Get a grip. The 'television, government specialists and the media' and science are all on the same side. Those anti-masker, David Icke, pseudo-scientists are full of it. Petty selfish little whingers who have decided their 'freedom' is somehow being taken because they've got to wear a mask for 20 minutes in Tesco. It's pathetic. If you think wearing a mask will block oxygen to your brain, that ship has already sailed.

There are some with genuine medical concerns regarding masks, but they are few and far between.

You are comfortable accepting what you are being told on the television and in the media. It is being issued like a constant mantra that will not allow for any criticism. Anyone without a scientific background has absolutely no option other than to believe it. Others will not accept it anyway,because it takes them outside their comfort zone.

Your personal attacks on me cannot change empirical scientific facts! They exist, have been proven and leave no doubt. Today, yesterday, fifty years ago - it makes no difference. Only yesterday - yet another scientist - a Professor from Oxford University - if that is high enough for you, says that the wearing of masks is ineffective.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/writer/c...-tom-jefferson

"Dr. Benedetta Allegranzi, the W.H.O.’s technical lead on infection control, said the evidence for the virus spreading by air was unconvincing.
“Especially in the last couple of months, we have been stating several times that we consider airborne transmission as possible but certainly not supported by solid or even clear evidence,” she said. “There is a strong debate on this.”
But interviews with nearly 20 scientists — including a dozen W.H.O. consultants and several members of the committee that crafted the guidance — and internal emails paint a picture of an organization that, despite good intentions, is out of step with science."NY TIMES 19/11/2020"

Air is breathed in and OUT of masks. Air carries tiny virus microbes.

Covid 19 is not lethal! No-one has died from Covid 19 on its own. People die everywhere in the world for all number of reasons - even without any epidemics/pandemics, 500,000 people die in the UK alone every single year for a variety of reasons.

You will see from the National Register, that the number of people who have sadly died in the UK in 2020, reached a peak during March/April just as I said they would - and since then have remained fairly constant right up to this day. The annual number is no higher than it is in any year.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nglandandwales

Then finally, ask yourself - what genuine pandemic needs to be searched for?

[silver fox]

You are comfortable accepting what you are being told on the television and in the media. It is being issued like a constant mantra that will not allow for any criticism. Anyone without a scientific background has absolutely no option other than to believe it. Others will not accept it anyway,because it takes them outside their comfort zone.

Your personal attacks on me cannot change empirical scientific facts! They exist, have been proven and leave no doubt. Today, yesterday, fifty years ago - it makes no difference. Only yesterday - yet another scientist - a Professor from Oxford University - if that is high enough for you, says that the wearing of masks is ineffective.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/writer/c...-tom-jefferson

"Dr. Benedetta Allegranzi, the W.H.O.’s technical lead on infection control, said the evidence for the virus spreading by air was unconvincing.
“Especially in the last couple of months, we have been stating several times that we consider airborne transmission as possible but certainly not supported by solid or even clear evidence,” she said. “There is a strong debate on this.”
But interviews with nearly 20 scientists — including a dozen W.H.O. consultants and several members of the committee that crafted the guidance — and internal emails paint a picture of an organization that, despite good intentions, is out of step with science."NY TIMES 19/11/2020"

Air is breathed in and OUT of masks. Air carries tiny virus microbes.

Covid 19 is not lethal! No-one has died from Covid 19 on its own. People die everywhere in the world for all number of reasons - even without any epidemics/pandemics, 500,000 people die in the UK alone every single year for a variety of reasons.

You will see from the National Register, that the number of people who have sadly died in the UK in 2020, reached a peak during March/April just as I said they would - and since then have remained fairly constant right up to this day. The annual number is no higher than it is in any year.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nglandandwales

Then finally, ask yourself - what genuine pandemic needs to be searched for?

So this is all some world wide conspiracy theory, every government in the world have suddenly come together to promote this virus in order to take control, destroying their economies and policies to support this conspiracy.

Do you really believe that all these countries varying from dictatorships to democracies. of widely varied political beliefs and systems, have suddenly decided to co-operate on this issue, if so, you have serious problems

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I gave you an impartial source which completely undermines your theory you ignored it.

You have the science wrong, read the articles I have linked above you have misunderstood the science.

Or see it below,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tp0zB904Mc

https://indianexpress.com/article/tr...-mask-6487047/

I have submitted no theories. My observations are based on pure science, and this science is not wrong, I will guarantee it!

The Utube video is really, really misleading - and then some! First of all you are expected to believe that air travels in the same directions as light rays. Even a first grader would laugh at that. Light travels in straight lines, air travels in multitude of directions according to high or low pressures, temperature and what external forces may be acting at any one time e.g. wind, draughts, numbers of people rushing by, closed or open environments etc.,

Looking at the pseudo-scientist's mask on the video while he is demonstrating the motion of breathing etc.,. Notice that there are gaps around the mask both at the chin and under the eyes - why does no air escape through those gaps?

Miniscule particles are not uniform in size. The larger and heavier particles are the less distance they will travel in still air But the finer particles can travel great distances - just as National Geograhic explains clearly.

The AGAR dishes show nothing - you are once again told and expected to believe it. The accumulations shown is pure guess work. Viruses need to be detected under a scanning microscope, to give a good image they need to be placed in a liquid, liquids and viruses do not cohere resulting in a distortion of the outer shell of the virus making it difficult to identify it. It could well be that the dishes show bacteria? Bacteria is around us all the time.

Your second reference which you supply, is from, I will accept - a very highly educated medical doctor whose prime motivation is research into microbiology. His professional expertise is in bacteria, not viruses and he is correctly claiming that a mask will help to prevent the passage of bacteria. Viruses are a thousand times smaller than viruses! Dr.Davis also states that people do not have to cover their nose because noses remain dry - not if he lived in more humid areas. Also, because his field of operation is too narrow to be able to give an in depth study of face masks, his report really does not count.

There has not been published any in depth study of face masks as a benefit to the public. Such a study requires a wide field of scientific knowledge to include virology, physicists, climatologists and mathematicians.

As I have claimed elsewhere, virus activity is seasonally dependent. The likelihood of contracting a viral disease decreases significantly in the summer months. The pattern of virus contagion has been studied in depth for the past three decades at least - it was not until around ten years ago that a relationship to climate was discovered.

From work carried out by Shaman et al. (2010) it was discovered that the seasonal pattern of extra respiratory disease mortality can be explained on the basis of absolute humidity and its impact on the transmission of airborne pathogens
This was demonstrated using guinea pigs (Lowen et al. (2007)) and concluded with a discussion of the potential underlying mechanisms for the measured control of humidity.
It was found that in the cold drier months of the year, contagion is at a high level, while during warm humid summers the level is low. This was exactly as I stated as far back as February. There was a spike in mortality rates at the end of March/beginning of April, then the levels dropped dramatically. This can be seen from the official mortality figures produced weekly.

I know several people who are suffering from colds at the moment - funny that as they all wore masks. What pandemic do you know of, where they have had to look for it ? That is what they are doing with the flawed testing.

[local]

You haven't read the article properly, I draw your attention to these lines;



This trial found ILI rates were 13 times higher in Vietnamese hospital workers allocated cloth masks compared to medical/surgical masks, and over three times higher when compared to no masks.

Clearly implying one was 13 times more effective than another and three times higher than no masks.

the benefits of medical masks.


However, recent reviews using lower quality evidence found masks to be effective,


a risk reduction of 40 per cent for wearing masks,

The article clearly is not the anti-mask evidence you seek the last line sums up the writers position


This abandonment of the scientific modus operandi and lack of foresight has left the field wide open for the play of opinions, radical views and political influence.

What they're saying is there needs to be a more coherent approach and the writers might better start with that approach themselves as might you.

[joan ofarc]

That masks are effective is proven by events in Australia. They are tracked for potential new flu viruses as they are in their winter before we are in ours. This informs which flu vaccine is offered here.
This year, when they have been wearing masks, flu cases are down dramatically. They are doing OK with coronavirus too.

[local]

So this is all some world wide conspiracy theory, every government in the world have suddenly come together to promote this virus in order to take control, destroying their economies and policies to support this conspiracy.

Do you really believe that all these countries varying from dictatorships to democracies. of widely varied political beliefs and systems, have suddenly decided to co-operate on this issue, if so, you have serious problems

Putin phoned me up I was happy to co-operate for free gas.

Trump offered me golf club access but he wouldn't promise not to be there.

[Alikado]

Putin phoned me up I was happy to co-operate for free gas.

Trump offered me golf club access but he wouldn't promise not to be there.

I got that call as well but I hung up because I thought it was a scam.

Never ever play golf with Trump, my mate who knows someone who works in MI5 knows someone who's ex wife knows someone who's ex partner used be in the CIA he says that Trump doesn't play by the rules and kicks his ball out of the rough.

[local]

I heard on the very very dark web that masks are pre-impregnated with corona.

[Alikado]

I heard on the very very dark web that masks are pre-impregnated with corona.

How do you talk with a COVID denier............

........with an Ouija board