How are all these folks catching Covid ?

[Hamble]

Yes, Burnham has overstretched himself and the update today shows he is out of his depth on the spreading of covid.

His comments on the effects on the lower-paid is reasonable but don't reflect the cost of going to work in his argument.

I think he lost the plot.
He certainly has lost a proportionate Covid subsidy for Manchester (43 million)compared to Liverpool 22 million.

Pillock!
Even Dianne Abbott would have worked the maths out on that one.
Meanwhile days of delays have cost more acute hospital beds/admissions
whilst Burnham went on his political crusade.

[duncet]

17,000 + today alone !

Surely they can't all be folks not wearing a mask, therefore a large number must be mask wearers - but what type of mask, the medical type (which do offer some protection) or the pretty ones that 'Karen' makes instead of making bath bombs etc :-) that offer no protection, or the plastic face shields that again offer no protection ?

So, just how are all these folk catching the virus?

Not only do we not know how these people are catching covid but neither do we know how many people are actually catching it - certainly locally. On a national scale it is easy for figures to be manufactured to add fuel to the fear but locally that would not be so easy. They get around that by refusing to divulge any factual statements. You might hear some vague statement like Southport Hospital is close to maximum capacity - and people are happy to not question that - but that is probably what you would expect around this time of the year anyway - in any year. The only way to get an accurate figure is by a Freedom of Information Request. I haven't done this since May, but it is the only way to get the true facts.
Even nationally, the goal posts have changed. Back in March the national figures were compiled around the number of deaths. Now they talk about the number of cases. Obviously that depends upon the number tested and has no relevance to the seriousness of the condition. Today we confront a virus from which more than 99% of the population will not die, and 90% of those who contract it experience no symptons. It is very sad that anyone should die from covid but it is also very sad that people should die from heart attacks, strokes, cancers and a whole range of other conditions that unfortunately are not getting the priority treatment that their conditions deserve because society is so obsessed with covid.

[local]

Not only do we not know how these people are catching covid but neither do we know how many people are actually catching it - certainly locally. On a national scale it is easy for figures to be manufactured to add fuel to the fear but locally that would not be so easy. They get around that by refusing to divulge any factual statements. You might hear some vague statement like Southport Hospital is close to maximum capacity - and people are happy to not question that - but that is probably what you would expect around this time of the year anyway - in any year. The only way to get an accurate figure is by a Freedom of Information Request. I haven't done this since May, but it is the only way to get the true facts.
Even nationally, the goal posts have changed. Back in March the national figures were compiled around the number of deaths. Now they talk about the number of cases. Obviously that depends upon the number tested and has no relevance to the seriousness of the condition. Today we confront a virus from which more than 99% of the population will not die, and 90% of those who contract it experience no symptons. It is very sad that anyone should die from covid but it is also very sad that people should die from heart attacks, strokes, cancers and a whole range of other conditions that unfortunately are not getting the priority treatment that their conditions deserve because society is so obsessed with covid.

A new virus that kills some people or leaves them with long term disabilities is worthy of obsessive behaviour.

In its current form we don't know why some die and others are asymptomatic.

We also don't exactly know how its spread.

It may of course mutate and affect many more maybe even you at that point you may be glad that someone cared enough to "obsess"

Or you could have DNR tattoed on your forehead ?

[silver fox]

I think he lost the plot.
He certainly has lost a proportionate Covid subsidy for Manchester (43 million)compared to Liverpool 22 million.

Pillock!
Even Dianne Abbott would have worked the maths out on that one.
Meanwhile days of delays have cost more acute hospital beds/admissions
whilst Burnham went on his political crusade.

He hasn't lost anything that was on offer, the £22m is the standard government scheme based on £8 per person in the region, Liverpool actually received £40m in additional support, Andy Burnham was prepared to settle for £65m but was finally offered £60m, of course he will take and use that funding, but maintains that will be insufficient to cover jobs and small business, the guy is trying to do his best for HIS region, the government is equally trying to avoid any sort of bidding war as other regions are more and more likely to be entering higher restrictions.

You are busily chanting the anti Burnham mantra, you do realise I hope that Tory politicians in the area, both local and national have voiced their displeasure to their own government, one in particular, totally disgusted at government's reluctance to meet Manchester's needs.

I know that any mention of Labour produces a Pavlovian response, but try reading all the facts, not just the bits that fit your beliefs.

[Toodles McGinty]

Not only do we not know how these people are catching covid but neither do we know how many people are actually catching it...

...Today we confront a virus from which more than 99% of the population will not die, and 90% of those who contract it experience no symptons. It is very sad that anyone should die from covid but it is also very sad that people should die from heart attacks, strokes, cancers and a whole range of other conditions that unfortunately are not getting the priority treatment that their conditions deserve because society is so obsessed with covid.

It's a virus. Scientists know how people catch it.

99% of people don't die. So we're on course to lose 600,000 - 700,000 souls in this country if we just open up and let it run its course?

And long Covid? How many will that eventually kill?

As awful as strokes, cancer and heart attacks are, we don't catch those from others. You don't catch a stroke if someone sneezes near you.

We don't know how many are catching it? You sound like Said with his tin foil hat. You really think the government would exaggerate the numbers? To what ends? They've already stopped counting deaths of people who happen to survive longer than 28 days. If anything, they are likely to downplay the numbers. They want people in work, on public transport, in pubs and restaurants. The economy is going down the toilet, so why would they do anything that would exacerbate it?

[Hamble]

https://order-order.com/2020/10/20/1...middle-income/


"The Prime Minister declared Greater Manchester would be moved into tier three restrictions, despite no agreement being reached on a financial package to support the region.

Mr Burnham had hoped for the Government to hand over £75 million, to help businesses forced to close, the self-employed and others who lose income.


He said local leaders had been prepared to accept £65m but claimed the Government refused to offer more than £60m.

After the Government-imposed deadline on negotiations passed, Number 10 has now reportedly told MPs it will only offer £22m in support."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...three-19137922

[Alikado]

A new virus that kills some people or leaves them with long term disabilities is worthy of obsessive behaviour.

In its current form we don't know why some die and others are asymptomatic.

We also don't exactly know how its spread.

It may of course mutate and affect many more maybe even you at that point you may be glad that someone cared enough to "obsess"

Or you could have DNR tattoed on your forehead ?

Lots of things have been tried to no avail, perhaps it is being spread by the singing Happy Birthday to forcefully, singing is banned in churches because it is a risk after all!

[greenmachine]

I would have a little more faith in the figures if they said how many died OF Covid rather than how many died WITH Covid. I dare say many allso died WITH an ingrowing toe nail or short sightedness. I wonder how many will die in the next 2 or 3 years of cancer or heart disease or other possible terminal conditions being diagnosed late due to the policy of protecting people who MIGHT become ill tomorrow at the expense of people who are ill TODAY.

[said]

https://order-order.com/2020/10/20/1...middle-income/


"The Prime Minister declared Greater Manchester would be moved into tier three restrictions, despite no agreement being reached on a financial package to support the region.

Mr Burnham had hoped for the Government to hand over £75 million, to help businesses forced to close, the self-employed and others who lose income.


He said local leaders had been prepared to accept £65m but claimed the Government refused to offer more than £60m.

After the Government-imposed deadline on negotiations passed, Number 10 has now reportedly told MPs it will only offer £22m in support."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...three-19137922

It is not the Government who are funding this - it is the EU.

gov.uk/government/publications/european-structural-and-investment-funds-coronavirus-covid-19-response/european-regional-development-fund-2014-to-2020-programme-questions-and-answers-on-covid-19-response. UPDATED 20th October 2020.

Government and local councils are following the rules laid down by the EU in order to obtain this funding. There is no purpose for the Labour trio to request more money because those businesses which have had to close were seen to be weak anyway and did not support the economy. The staff who have been furloughed - have not realised it yet, but they are technically unemployed.

Only the businesses which have five year's evidence of a healthy financial history - or have five star rating -will be able to obtain funds.

There are various ways of looking at this - either the UK has not left the EU, in which case all the joe bloggs on the street do not count, unemployment will rise massively and only the larger corporations will have any chance of moving forward, that will be the case anyway. It could be that the move is to kick start a depressed world economy for the near future, albeit temporary.

All the blame will be given to Covid 19 - but the truth is that while people have been safe distancing, wearing masks etc., Technology has not slept. By the end of this year there will be public supersonic air travel, flash charge batteries, fruit picking robots and coal mines will be re-purposed. Not to mention all the new developments that covid unearthed which will be used to meet global needs in the event of a health emergency.

[silver fox]

https://order-order.com/2020/10/20/1...middle-income/


"The Prime Minister declared Greater Manchester would be moved into tier three restrictions, despite no agreement being reached on a financial package to support the region.

Mr Burnham had hoped for the Government to hand over £75 million, to help businesses forced to close, the self-employed and others who lose income.


He said local leaders had been prepared to accept £65m but claimed the Government refused to offer more than £60m.

After the Government-imposed deadline on negotiations passed, Number 10 has now reportedly told MPs it will only offer £22m in support."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...three-19137922

That comment from flapper mouth Johnson was rescinded almost before he finished saying, it has been later stated that the £60m is still available, bear in mind Liverpool received a reported additional £44m and Lancashire an additional £42m, Manchester has a much bigger population than either.

I totally understand that government are trying to keep a lid on claims for assistance, being well aware that it is a highly likely that more areas will be drawn into tier 3, but when a senior Tory MP states on tv, that when government action prevents people from working, then the government has at least a moral obligation to support those people.

[said]

That comment from flapper mouth Johnson was rescinded almost before he finished saying, it has been later stated that the £60m is still available, bear in mind Liverpool received a reported additional £44m and Lancashire an additional £42m, Manchester has a much bigger population than either.

I totally understand that government are trying to keep a lid on claims for assistance, being well aware that it is a highly likely that more areas will be drawn into tier 3, but when a senior Tory MP states on tv, that when government action prevents people from working, then the government has at least a moral obligation to support those people.

Moral obligation? Ha!Ha! right!

[silver fox]

Moral obligation? Ha!Ha! right!

Sir Graham Brady said it, not me.

[Toodles McGinty]

That comment from flapper mouth Johnson was rescinded almost before he finished saying, it has been later stated that the £60m is still available, bear in mind Liverpool received a reported additional £44m and Lancashire an additional £42m, Manchester has a much bigger population than either.

I totally understand that government are trying to keep a lid on claims for assistance, being well aware that it is a highly likely that more areas will be drawn into tier 3, but when a senior Tory MP states on tv, that when government action prevents people from working, then the government has at least a moral obligation to support those people.

So as Ashworth said today, the Prime Minister that blew £150m on useless face masks for frontline NHS staff, £130m on test kits that were unsafe and £12bn on track & trace that doesn't work, was taking £38m from the people of Greater Manchester because of the politicians of the area, from both parties? Or just Andy Burnham?

In a negotiation with Robert Jenrick, who got a £25m hardship fund for Jenrick’s own Newark constituency? Even though Newark only ranked 270th on the deprivation list?

The same Robert Jenrick that unlawfully overturned a planning permission refusal on a development to save a pornographer £45m?

How to **** off 3 million people in the middle of a pandemic, when your popularity is somewhere lower than the bottom of Grimethorpe Colliery.

To quote the rogue civil servant: arrogant and offensive.

[Toodles McGinty]

Sir Graham Brady said it, not me.

Brady already has his knives sharpened for Johnson. Al Kemal's a bigger fool than even I thought if he's upsetting him.

[said]

I think he lost the plot.
He certainly has lost a proportionate Covid subsidy for Manchester (43 million)compared to Liverpool 22 million.

Pillock!
Even Dianne Abbott would have worked the maths out on that one.
Meanwhile days of delays have cost more acute hospital beds/admissions
whilst Burnham went on his political crusade.

I don't know why people keep clinging to the reports claimed by media reporters when I have constantly referred to the accurate figures. Here are the FACTUAL FIGURES released from the NHS site for the hospitals right across THE WHOLE OF THE NORTH WEST.

There are 110 HOSPITALS IN THE NORTH WEST UK -
11 Sep 2019 — In more detail, here's the full list of hospital numbers per district: Scotland 279, South West 138, London 134, South East 132, North West 110.

(No doubt this information would be classed as 'fantasy' by Silver Fox)