Climate change

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If the world does nothing, i.e. carries on as before - the 'land' around here will end up beneath more than 200ft of seawater.....

You have that wrong PnP. There is only so much water on the planet. See The Water Cycle. If there is an excess of water in one area there will be a lack of it in another. Even Ice Bergs/ Flows constantly change by melting, moving and building.

[MICK/GILLY]

If the world does nothing, i.e. carries on as before - the 'land' around here will end up beneath more than 200ft of seawater.....

https://youtu.be/buqtdpuZxvk

[Searcher]

If the world does nothing, i.e. carries on as before -

There are too many people on the planet.

With fewer of us around, there would be fewer greenhouse gas emissions, less pollution and waste, more space for both us and the rest of the natural world to survive and thrive.

[MICK/GILLY]

Well leave it to RC Christian and the Georgia guidestones

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

[The PNP]

You have that wrong PnP. There is only so much water on the planet. See The Water Cycle. If there is an excess of water in one area there will be a lack of it in another. Even Ice Bergs/ Flows constantly change by melting, moving and building.

Yes, with a stable global climate that's how it is......However, glaciers are now retreating everywhere, big chunks of Antarctica are breaking off, Greenland's ice-cover is melting. Polar temperatures in particular have risen very markedly. Permafrost in the high latitudes is thawing, releasing methane.

Result is an increase in meltwater, causing an ever-accelerating rise in the global sealevel. Should things continue to happen the way they are, all the ice will eventually melt. And that ice when/if all melted, would mean an extra couple of hundred feet in height to the worlds seas.

[MICK/GILLY]

Yes, with a stable global climate that's how it is......However, glaciers are now retreating everywhere, big chunks of Antarctica are breaking off, Greenland's ice-cover is melting. Polar temperatures in particular have risen very markedly. Permafrost in the high latitudes is thawing, releasing methane.

Result is an increase in meltwater, causing an ever-accelerating rise in the global sealevel. Should things continue to happen the way they are, all the ice will eventually melt. And that ice when/if all melted, would mean an extra couple of hundred feet in height to the worlds seas.

The planet the universe and everything is just like life … it doesn’t end well.

[local]

If the world does nothing, i.e. carries on as before - the 'land' around here will end up beneath more than 200ft of seawater.....

Tell us where you got that figure of 200 feet from?

Was it the same place that convinces you that burning trees is somehow good?



Perhaps this might help you get some less specious numbers;

For 2100 Under a high emissions scenario, 1.4-4.3 m for London and Cardiff, and 0.7-3.6 m for Edinburgh and Belfast.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/researc...ctions-to-2300

[The PNP]

Tell us where you got that figure of 200 feet from?

Was it the same place that convinces you that burning trees is somehow good?



Perhaps this might help you get some less specious numbers;

For 2100 Under a high emissions scenario, 1.4-4.3 m for London and Cardiff, and 0.7-3.6 m for Edinburgh and Belfast.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/researc...ctions-to-2300

Where? Simply do the calculation yourself : total (metric) tonnage of ice in Antarctica, Greenland etc, add that to the seas (at a ratio of 1,000 ltrs per ton) and you will discover the result is near enough 70metres of rise, which I simplified to 'more than 200ft'.....As to if and when, that all depends how long we as a species continue emitting CO2 and at what rate.

[said]

Yes, with a stable global climate that's how it is......However, glaciers are now retreating everywhere, big chunks of Antarctica are breaking off, Greenland's ice-cover is melting. Polar temperatures in particular have risen very markedly. Permafrost in the high latitudes is thawing, releasing methane.

Result is an increase in meltwater, causing an ever-accelerating rise in the global sealevel. Should things continue to happen the way they are, all the ice will eventually melt. And that ice when/if all melted, would mean an extra couple of hundred feet in height to the worlds seas.

Where do you think the water came from to form all those glaciers in the first place? Plants and shrubs have been found under sheets of ice - meaning that there has not always been ice in that location.

The N and S Poles have reversed a number of times throughout the lifetime of our planet. The reversal occurs gradually,not in one full turn all at once.

Don't worry, the population of the world will be fine for some good hundred thousand years yet - it is not the natural phenomena you need to worry about.

[local]

Where? Simply do the calculation yourself : total (metric) tonnage of ice in Antarctica, Greenland etc, add that to the seas (at a ratio of 1,000 ltrs per ton) and you will discover the result is near enough 70metres of rise, which I simplified to 'more than 200ft'.....As to if and when, that all depends how long we as a species continue emitting CO2 and at what rate.

Aarghh talk about specious science, utter complete bunkum.

No wonder you think cutting down trees and burning them is green, was it in the same book?

Could you give us a link or as I hope there isn't anyone who thinks like that and you have made it up.

[local]

Where do you think the water came from to form all those glaciers in the first place? Plants and shrubs have been found under sheets of ice - meaning that there has not always been ice in that location.

The N and S Poles have reversed a number of times throughout the lifetime of our planet. The reversal occurs gradually,not in one full turn all at once.

Don't worry, the population of the world will be fine for some good hundred thousand years yet - it is not the natural phenomena you need to worry about.

Here you are Prof some real science, its from the much quoted Nasa:


If Earth’s temperatures are getting warmer and sea ice in the Arctic has been shrinking fast, why then is sea ice in the Antarctic slowly increasing?



https://earthdata.nasa.gov/learn/sen...unexpected-ice



You should enjoy quoting this and it goes to my point about the mumbo jumbo portrayed as science on here.

The earth is a sh9t hole lets clean it up instead of these silly arguments.

These fully comitted 100% on either side, who cannot be scientists should take on board

“Partial explanations have been offered, but we don’t have the complete picture,” said Ted Scambos, a scientist at NSIDC DAAC. “This may just be a case of ‘we don’t know yet.’”

[The PNP]

A) Where do you think the water came from to form all those glaciers in the first place? Plants and shrubs have been found under sheets of ice - meaning that there has not always been ice in that location.

The N and S Poles have reversed a number of times throughout the lifetime of our planet. The reversal occurs gradually,not in one full turn all at once.

B) Don't worry, the population of the world will be fine for some good hundred thousand years yet - it is not the natural phenomena you need to worry about.

A) When the planet was free of ice, I have no doubt that sealevel would have been rather higher than the present-day.

B) It's the future, human-induced phenomena that I worry about.

Btw, this day-long sunshine we're currently having is really great. All the household electrical needs at our place are being met 100% by our solar setup - with power to spare!

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Where? Simply do the calculation yourself : total (metric) tonnage of ice in Antarctica, Greenland etc, add that to the seas (at a ratio of 1,000 ltrs per ton) and you will discover the result is near enough 70metres of rise, which I simplified to 'more than 200ft'.....As to if and when, that all depends how long we as a species continue emitting CO2 and at what rate.

You have not considered the rise of the land when the weight of the ice is removed. The land will also rise.

Remove all the CO2 from our atmosphere -humans and many animals would not be able to breathe. Our respiratory system relies on CO2 not oxygen.

[local]

A) When the planet was free of ice, I have no doubt that sealevel would have been rather higher than the present-day.

B) It's the future, human-induced phenomena that I worry about.

Btw, this day-long sunshine we're currently having is really great. All the household electrical needs at our place are being met 100% by our solar setup - with power to spare!

Were you not at school when they froze some water in the science class?

[Dirac]

Remove all the CO2 from our atmosphere -humans and many animals would not be able to breathe. Our respiratory system relies on CO2 not oxygen.

Just a couple of points, said,

1 - where did pnp suggest we remove ALL the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere?

2 - please explain the biology behind your second assertion, that our respiratory system relies on carbon dioxide.

I can't wait for your answers.