Big Red Bus "LIE"

[said]

All those remoaners on here who tell us how the bus ruined their lives can now follow this legal action and help fund it ;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...eGX?li=BBoPWjQ


Oh and good luck, dig deep

I agree, but was it a lie? By not being members of the EU, obviously we save the member ship fees of £9 billion. This translates to £173,076,923. per week. The REd Bus stated that £350 million per week would be given to the NHS. The amount of paperwork that is required from the NHS due to membership of the EU takes 3000 staff working 52 hours a week that would save £120.5 million, plus the cost of work space, heating and services etc., would amount to £350m per week? So was it really a lie?

[seivad]

For more than fifty years now, every single year we have been told, 'we are doing well -next year we will be seeing the benefits of being in a union! I got bored listening to the rubbish

Amazing, considering the UK has only been in the EU for 46 years.

[seivad]

I agree, but was it a lie? By not being members of the EU, obviously we save the member ship fees of £9 billion. This translates to £173,076,923. per week. The REd Bus stated that £350 million per week would be given to the NHS. The amount of paperwork that is required from the NHS due to membership of the EU takes 3000 staff working 52 hours a week that would save £120.5 million, plus the cost of work space, heating and services etc., would amount to £350m per week? So was it really a lie?

If that was included in the £350m, surely one of the bus crew would have immediately pointed it out. It was an error, plain and simple.

Where did you get your information/figures from? Are they working 7 days a week, or just over 10 hours a day for 5 days?

[local]

Perhaps someone should pursue those MP's who lied to get elected.

They stood on a Brexit supporting manifesto and have done everything thing they can to disrupt it including some leaving the parties but not the seat.

Perhaps the 2006 Fraud Act should be dusted down ?

It seems a far worse lie to me than putting the gross figure on a bus which it appears the courts found nonsense as well.

These MP's are gaining a comfortable living by deception.

[bensherman]

It was entirely right that in the referendum people should be able to judge the value for money of EU membership.

To do so you need to understand the NET cost of membership, which is the gross cost minus rebate, CAP payments and other funds flowing back, such as those spent on our Coast Road. Beyond that there is an impossible-to-count income which is the jobs, exports and corporation tax paid by business which would be disabled by exit.

To be ultra-fair, you would also need to consider extra costs we incur after leaving such as having to add 5,000 extra staff to the Borders and Customs agencies.

Even without these hard-to measure costs, it was established as far back as the 2015 election ( when UKIP used the £350m figure) that the NET cost was about £180m/week ; so near enough HALF.

So to determine Johnson and Gove's motives in having this displayed; they were suggesting that post exit £350m would be available for use in the UK economy. That sounds like a lot to most people. It is facile to suggest you could pump it into the NHS just like that, but that's not the central point.

So did they intend to deceive? It's either that or they were too reckless to check their facts. Neither is flattering.

You may say- politicians generally lie...but two points...ONE..they lie about the future and their intentions (not about existing fact)..TWO...if we find them out we can get rid of them in maximum five years. Not decades later.

[local]

It was entirely right that in the referendum people should be able to judge the value for money of EU membership.

To do so you need to understand the NET cost of membership, which is the gross cost minus rebate, CAP payments and other funds flowing back, such as those spent on our Coast Road. Beyond that there is an impossible-to-count income which is the jobs, exports and corporation tax paid by business which would be disabled by exit.

To be ultra-fair, you would also need to consider extra costs we incur after leaving such as having to add 5,000 extra staff to the Borders and Customs agencies.

Even without these hard-to measure costs, it was established as far back as the 2015 election ( when UKIP used the £350m figure) that the NET cost was about £180m/week ; so near enough HALF.

So to determine Johnson and Gove's motives in having this displayed; they were suggesting that post exit £350m would be available for use in the UK economy. That sounds like a lot to most people. It is facile to suggest you could pump it into the NHS just like that, but that's not the central point.

So did they intend to deceive? It's either that or they were too reckless to check their facts. Neither is flattering.

You may say- politicians generally lie...but two points...ONE..they lie about the future and their intentions (not about existing fact)..TWO...if we find them out we can get rid of them in maximum five years. Not decades later.

The point not lost I would suspect on the Judges is that during an election cam-pain claims and counter claims were made on both sides but when criticising say MP's no one mentions their net pay it is always the gross.

That is not a lie as the losing side would like it to be smeared as.

The general public are not taken in by politicians as much as people think otherwise we would all still be cowering under our beds waiting for the Tsunami recesession predicted straight after the result.

Most of us remember the doom and gloom predicted during the euro campaign we weren't taken in by it.

[said]

Amazing, considering the UK has only been in the EU for 46 years.

Well about that, anyway.

[said]

It was entirely right that in the referendum people should be able to judge the value for money of EU membership.

To do so you need to understand the NET cost of membership, which is the gross cost minus rebate, CAP payments and other funds flowing back, such as those spent on our Coast Road. Beyond that there is an impossible-to-count income which is the jobs, exports and corporation tax paid by business which would be disabled by exit.

To be ultra-fair, you would also need to consider extra costs we incur after leaving such as having to add 5,000 extra staff to the Borders and Customs agencies.

Even without these hard-to measure costs, it was established as far back as the 2015 election ( when UKIP used the £350m figure) that the NET cost was about £180m/week ; so near enough HALF.

So to determine Johnson and Gove's motives in having this displayed; they were suggesting that post exit £350m would be available for use in the UK economy. That sounds like a lot to most people. It is facile to suggest you could pump it into the NHS just like that, but that's not the central point.

So did they intend to deceive? It's either that or they were too reckless to check their facts. Neither is flattering.

You may say- politicians generally lie...but two points...ONE..they lie about the future and their intentions (not about existing fact)..TWO...if we find them out we can get rid of them in maximum five years. Not decades later.

UKIP had nothing to do with the Red Bus issue! It was the Vote Leave campaign. Mr. Farage was the leader of UKIP and he was not associated with Vote Leave.

Why would there need to be additional staff on the Borders? There are already an army of Border staff since the UK and Northern Ireland did not agree to the Schengen policy.Passports still have to be checked.

The courts threw the case out - no criminal intent. However people do tend to overlook the costs of the huge amount of administration involved due to the thousands of new policies the EU keeps spuriously churning out.

[The PNP]

You may say- politicians generally lie...but two points...ONE..they lie about the future and their intentions (not about existing fact)..TWO...if we find them out we can get rid of them in maximum five years. Not decades later.

True....But referendums are a different matter entirely from Gen Elections. If we leave the EU, it will be for much longer than five years. Also, any re-joining deal offered to us down the line is unlikely to be as generous as the terms we currently operate under. .


STOP BREXIT!

[The PNP]

Why would there need to be additional staff on the Borders? There are already an army of Border staff since the UK and Northern Ireland did not agree to the Schengen policy.Passports still have to be checked........However people do tend to overlook the costs of the huge amount of administration involved due to the thousands of new policies the EU keeps spuriously churning out.

Because approx. 10,000 trucks a day enter Dover alone, before you even count our other ports of entry. Containers, trucks and goods of all kinds will no longer pass freely.

Every single one will require customs manifests and clearance before proceeding onto our roads. That is a mammoth task, requiring a large amount of additional manpower and many tons of paperwork....Perhaps those being made redundant from our car factories could apply for the jobs!


STOP BREXIT!

[local]

Because approx. 10,000 trucks a day enter Dover alone, before you even count our other ports of entry. Containers, trucks and goods of all kinds will no longer pass freely.

Every single one will require customs manifests and clearance before proceeding onto our roads. That is a mammoth task, requiring a large amount of additional manpower and many tons of paperwork....Perhaps those being made redundant from our car factories could apply for the jobs!


STOP BREXIT!

More ill informed scare stories from the project fear book of fairy stories.


https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...ts-and-exports

[silver fox]

The general public are not taken in by politicians as much as people think otherwise we would all still be cowering under our beds waiting for the Tsunami recesession predicted straight after the result.

Most of us remember the doom and gloom predicted during the euro campaign we weren't taken in by it.

My I just point out that we haven't left yet, the dire consequences were predicted as a result of leaving, NOT the result of the referendum, as it is looking at the stupendous sums already spent and the sums to follow, add in the jobs which we know are going, I wouldn't push that point too hard.

NO-ONE from the brexit camp has got the vaguest idea of what after brexit, NO-ONE has come up with anything that remotely resembles a smooth transition, NO-ONE has got the slightest plan or even proposal for after brexit.

Come on, where are all these seamless trade deals that would simply turn over to us? where are all these other countries falling over themselves to do trade deals which will be beneficial to us or even mutually beneficial, don't put too much store on the USA, as one Washington reporter put it "don't forget Trump's job is to look after the USA's economy in the best way as he sees it, not to create wealth for the UK".

That isn't some anti-Trump or anti-USA rant, merely a statement of fact, frankly no more nor less than we would do ourselves.

[Hamble]

My I just point out that we haven't left yet, the dire consequences were predicted as a result of leaving, NOT the result of the referendum, as it is looking at the stupendous sums already spent and the sums to follow, add in the jobs which we know are going, I wouldn't push that point too hard.

NO-ONE from the brexit camp has got the vaguest idea of what after brexit, NO-ONE has come up with anything that remotely resembles a smooth transition, NO-ONE has got the slightest plan or even proposal for after brexit.

Come on, where are all these seamless trade deals that would simply turn over to us? where are all these other countries falling over themselves to do trade deals which will be beneficial to us or even mutually beneficial, don't put too much store on the USA, as one Washington reporter put it "don't forget Trump's job is to look after the USA's economy in the best way as he sees it, not to create wealth for the UK".

That isn't some anti-Trump or anti-USA rant, merely a statement of fact, frankly no more nor less than we would do ourselves.

You are not very happy in the EU and history records misery death and destruction when your party was in control.

The only way is up really.

[local]

My I just point out that we haven't left yet, the dire consequences were predicted as a result of leaving, NOT the result of the referendum, as it is looking at the stupendous sums already spent and the sums to follow, add in the jobs which we know are going, I wouldn't push that point too hard.

NO-ONE from the brexit camp has got the vaguest idea of what after brexit, NO-ONE has come up with anything that remotely resembles a smooth transition, NO-ONE has got the slightest plan or even proposal for after brexit.

Come on, where are all these seamless trade deals that would simply turn over to us? where are all these other countries falling over themselves to do trade deals which will be beneficial to us or even mutually beneficial, don't put too much store on the USA, as one Washington reporter put it "don't forget Trump's job is to look after the USA's economy in the best way as he sees it, not to create wealth for the UK".

That isn't some anti-Trump or anti-USA rant, merely a statement of fact, frankly no more nor less than we would do ourselves.

Wrong again were you asleep during the referendum campaign no wonder you wanted to remain.

The rest is ill informed nonsense as well have you started early on the sherry ?

[silver fox]

You are not very happy in the EU and history records misery death and destruction when your party was in control.

The only way is up really.

History, what history is that then? hopefully we are dealing with the present and the deaths, misery and destruction the Tories are inflicting on our country right now.