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Originally Posted by grassroots
Do you have spell check , if you have it's not working !!!!
I don't Grassy. And why would I bother insofar as this thread is concerned?
This thread is about grammar, and not lexis. Grammar concerns itself with such things as punctuation. This is used to make sentences.
But I know you are only having a laugh, here. You intentionally used the comma instead of the required question mark, didn't
you?
But don't worry if this wasn't intended. We understood you, but also noticed immediately that what you were saying was inappropriate for the thread due to your confusion concerning the meaning of the noun 'grammar'.
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I'm not usually too bothered about poster's spelling or grammar being correct. I admit I did correct someone once, then immediately apologised for doing it. I was just sniping, and bang out of order.
I must admit that 5 exclamation marks at the end of every sentence bothers me, but then again it isn't always easy to express a mood or tone with simple words. There should be a universal symbol for sarcasm
It's worth noting that not everyone is typing on a full keyboard. When I'm typing on my phone or tablet, it's generally littered with mistakes and predictive text putting in the wrong words. And some people aren't as educated as much as others. A possessive apostrophe might mean little to them. It isn't a mark of intelligence or lack of it. Just that they didn't have grammar taught in school.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
I'm not usually too bothered about poster's spelling or grammar being correct. I admit I did correct someone once, then immediately apologised for doing it. I was just sniping, and bang out of order.
I must admit that 5 exclamation marks at the end of every sentence bothers me, but then again it isn't always easy to express a mood or tone with simple words. There should be a universal symbol for sarcasm
It's worth noting that not everyone is typing on a full keyboard. When I'm typing on my phone or tablet, it's generally littered with mistakes and predictive text putting in the wrong words. And some people aren't as educated as much as others. A possessive apostrophe might mean little to them. It isn't a mark of intelligence or lack of it. Just that they didn't have grammar taught in school.
When did English schools stop teaching grammar, Toodles? What do they teach in the 'English classes'?
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Originally Posted by Hector
This thread is about grammar, and not lexis. Grammar concerns itself with such things as punctuation. This is used to make sentences.
Most linguists don't agree with you. The terms grammar and punctuation are often used interchangeably, but this is not correct. While we use both grammar and punctuation to clearly explicate our ideas for our readers, they are not the same.
Punctuation marks are the symbols we use to clarify meaning. Question marks, exclamation points, full stops, etc.
Grammar is the structure of language. You can think of it as word order and choice. How we order our language is part of what determines meaning. Google is your friend!
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Originally Posted by SteveandLois
No. Not 'for instance', S &L. Typos are not related to unnecessary commas. 'For instance' is used when we exemplify.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
It's worth noting that not everyone is typing on a full keyboard. When I'm typing on my phone or tablet, it's generally littered with mistakes and predictive text putting in the wrong words.
Me too. According to my friends, my texts are legendary! I (wisely) never use my phone for posting on Q. I sometimes use my iPad, and always preview my post before submitting it
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Originally Posted by Derek H
Most linguists don't agree with you. The terms grammar and punctuation are often used interchangeably, but this is not correct. While we use both grammar and punctuation to clearly explicate our ideas for our readers, they are not the same.
Punctuation marks are the symbols we use to clarify meaning. Question marks, exclamation points, full stops, etc.
Grammar is the structure of language. You can think of it as word order and choice. How we order our language is part of what determines meaning. Google is your friend!
Well, I'd be genuinely interested if you gave me the names of the 'linguists' who don't class punctuation as being part of grammar.
In English exams which are used to determine the language level of those wanting to immigrate into the UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, that's how it works when both spoken and written English are being assessed.
As regards 'word choice', this is most definitely not grammar. This is lexis.
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Originally Posted by seivad
Me too. According to my friends, my texts are legendary! I (wisely) never use my phone for posting on Q. I sometimes use my iPad, and always preview my post before submitting it
I always preview mine too, but that doesn't stop a few things getting through the mesh. To my utter dismay. But then, I tell myself that to err is human.
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Originally Posted by Hector
Well, I'd be genuinely interested if you gave me the names of the 'linguists' who don't class punctuation as being part of grammar.
In English exams which are used to determine the language level of those wanting to immigrate into the UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, that's how it works when both spoken and written English.
I think I told you that Google is your friend. Try it sometime.
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Originally Posted by Derek H
I think I told you that Google is your friend. Try it sometime.
I am afraid Google is the source of so much misinformation, Derek. I'd have thought a man of your age and obvious intelligence would have worked that out by now! Or are you pulling our legs?
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Originally Posted by Hector
I am afraid Google is the source of so much misinformation, Derek. I'd have thought a man of your age and obvious intelligence would have worked that out by now! Or are you pulling our legs?
Punctuation marks are the symbols we use to clarify meaning. Question marks, exclamation points, full stops, etc.
Grammar is the structure of language. You can think of it as word order and choice. How we order our language is part of what determines meaning.
You can't understand the difference, I see. Sorry about that.
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I don't have a problem with the make up of a sentence so long as I understand what they are saying, I never thought of myself as an English teacher unlike some.
As Seivad says there are posters who seem to have a problem, one in particular who never uses capitals and puts a garbled post out which I give up trying to understand. But as she says there could be a reason why which the eggheads seem to forget.
What really grinds my gears is the bone idle posts with THERE for every variation There Their They're and using OF instead of HAVE Could of Should of that is just pure unadulterated idleness.
I left school at 15, I do not purport to be clever but I have a good general knowledge, and have had some good jobs that entailed entrance examinations and regular update examinations and practical assessments. So I'm obviously not the thicko Derek H seems to think I am in fact my last job was better paid than a teacher. I went on one course and when I got back to my depot I was called to the main office and told I had got 100% in the exam and they had never known it before.
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Originally Posted by Little Londoner
I don't have a problem with the make up of a sentence so long as I understand what they are saying, I never thought of myself as an English teacher unlike some.
As Seivad says there are posters who seem to have a problem, one in particular who never uses capitals and puts a garbled post out which I give up trying to understand. But as she says there could be a reason why which the eggheads seem to forget.
What really grinds my gears is the bone idle posts with THERE for every variation There Their They're and using OF instead of HAVE Could of Should of that is just pure unadulterated idleness.
I left school at 15, I do not purport to be clever but I have a good general knowledge, and have had some good jobs that entailed entrance examinations and regular update examinations and practical assessments. So I'm obviously not the thicko Derek H seems to think I am in fact my last job was better paid than a teacher. I went on one course and when I got back to my depot I was called to the main office and told I had got 100% in the exam and they had never known it before.
Wow, harsh words to someone who is on your blocked out list? But I agree about their, there and they're, and of instead of have.
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Originally Posted by Derek H
Punctuation marks are the symbols we use to clarify meaning. Question marks, exclamation points, full stops, etc.
Grammar is the structure of language. You can think of it as word order and choice. How we order our language is part of what determines meaning.
You can't understand the difference, I see. Sorry about that.
One last try:
Punctuation is part of grammar. We use grammar to make sentences, and parts of sentences and we use punctuation to help us identify these sentences and parts of sentences.
Word choice is not grammar. This is known as vocabulary.
This distinction is not mine. It is Cambridge University's distinction and The University of Brunswick's distinction. Both prepare English language exams to determine the language level of those who want to live and, or work in a number of countries where English is an official language.
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