EU - The Ball is in Your Court

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Your missing the polnt we can decide what to spend the money on but a big chunk already comes back as the rebate, in case you don 't know that will cease, so £359m - no.

You haven't read my post properly;

There is a rather obvious point missing from the big red bus lies believers thinking process,

The UK on leaving the EU will have £350 Million a week to decide what to do with not £250 Million.


I specifically made the point that on leaving we will have to decide what to spend the £350 Million on.


The question of rebates,grants, subsidies etc will be over.

At that point it will be quite legitimate to ask whats my money being spent on ?
and if you don't like the answer vote them out, something we are unable to do now.

[Lamparilla]

I think all the money has already been allocated to 'no deal', hasn't it?

[Ceam]

You haven't read my post properly;

There is a rather obvious point missing from the big red bus lies believers thinking process,

The UK on leaving the EU will have £350 Million a week to decide what to do with not £250 Million.


I specifically made the point that on leaving we will have to decide what to spend the £350 Million on.


The question of rebates,grants, subsidies etc will be over.

At that point it will be quite legitimate to ask whats my money being spent on ?
and if you don't like the answer vote them out, something we are unable to do now.

Think you'll find around 50% of that money was already being returned to the U.K. from the E.U.


Maybe they meant we'll save the money by selling it off the America and privatizing the health service?
Which should be fun, Interestingly I'm on a facebook page where some chap got burns on his leg from resin off a 3d resin printer. He got his bill the other day which fortunately he has insurance for. $25,000 . Say he'll still have to pay several $1,000 even though he has insurance.
Fun times ahead I guess.

[local]

Your missing the polnt we can decide what to spend the money on but a big chunk already comes back as the rebate, in case you don 't know that will cease, so £359m - no.

How I miss my own point is a new one on me but still the point I made quite clearly is we will decide on the spending of the whole Gross figure not the EU.

We do not control the EU grants, rebates, subsidies, the private sector recipients including farmers, research bodies.
Other recipients include poorer areas Wales Cornwall etc.

[local]

Think you'll find around 50% of that money was already being returned to the U.K. from the E.U.


Maybe they meant we'll save the money by selling it off the America and privatizing the health service?
Which should be fun, Interestingly I'm on a facebook page where some chap got burns on his leg from resin off a 3d resin printer. He got his bill the other day which fortunately he has insurance for. $25,000 . Say he'll still have to pay several $1,000 even though he has insurance.
Fun times ahead I guess.

If any party tries to hive off the NHS you will be able to vote them out.
The 50% figure I don't recognise but anything spent by the EU here is out of our control .

Unlike now if you don't like where its being spent you can use your vote.

If Boris wants to spend it on Eton scholarships or tax cuts for fox hunters you can vote him out and I will happily vote against it to.

[Ceam]

If any party tries to hive off the NHS you will be able to vote them out.
The 50% figure I don't recognise but anything spent by the EU here is out of our control .

Unlike now if you don't like where its being spent you can use your vote.

If Boris wants to spend it on Eton scholarships or tax cuts for fox hunters you can vote him out and I will happily vote against it to.

Oh dear. You think they'll be asking us between getting in power and the following election. MUG

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Oh dear. You think they'll be asking us between getting in power and the following election. MUG

No where have I put that or implied it.

I have stated quite clearly;

Unlike now if you don't like where its being spent you can use your vote.

If Boris wants to spend it on Eton scholarships or tax cuts for fox hunters you can vote him out and I will happily vote against it to.


I do not expect to vote on the governments spending plans until the next general election, whenever that will be.

The EU doesn't offer that choice.

[said]

There's some whole new ""facts" in there.


Where in Government did Farage work for years ?

A friend of David Cameron ?

Which media supported Farage to be leader of UKIP ?

George Osbourne a Eurosceptic ?

T.B.C.

You have all the resources you need in front of you - you can check everything yourself. I don't work in the services sector and I couldn't care less if you believe it or not.

[Alikado]

How I miss my own point is a new one on me but still the point I made quite clearly is we will decide on the spending of the whole Gross figure not the EU.

We do not control the EU grants, rebates, subsidies, the private sector recipients including farmers, research bodies.
Other recipients include poorer areas Wales Cornwall etc.

We cannot decide on how to spend the Gross figure as the amount received in the rebate is already committed by the Government.

[AdmiralAckbar]

The Judges are quite clear it was a gross figure and perfectly reasonable to use in the course of an election.

At no point do they call it lies or half truths.

So Mr Marcus Balls con job hit the buffers.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/...mags-final.pdf

The thing I find strange about that court case is that although it states ...

"The allegation is that the Claimant endorsed two misleading statements: “We send the
EU £350 million a week let’s fund our NHS instead” and “Let’s give our NHS the £350
million the EU takes every week”. The first was displayed on the side of a bus as part
of the Vote Leave campaign during the 2016 EU referendum. Each also appeared
elsewhere, for example on billboards. During interviews shown on television, more
than once the Claimant suggested that the UK parted weekly with that sum to Europe.
At the time he was Mayor of London and a MP."


... the judgement is based around the figure that was used, and no reference is made to the 2nd part of the statement regarding how the money saved was going to be used.

The clear inference was that it was going to be used to fund the NHS and we all know he's backtracked on that.

Until Mr Johnson increases the NHS budget by £350million a week, the big red bus lie is exactly that, a lie ...

[local]

The thing I find strange about that court case is that although it states ...

"The allegation is that the Claimant endorsed two misleading statements: “We send the
EU £350 million a week let’s fund our NHS instead” and “Let’s give our NHS the £350
million the EU takes every week”. The first was displayed on the side of a bus as part
of the Vote Leave campaign during the 2016 EU referendum. Each also appeared
elsewhere, for example on billboards. During interviews shown on television, more
than once the Claimant suggested that the UK parted weekly with that sum to Europe.
At the time he was Mayor of London and a MP."


... the judgement is based around the figure that was used, and no reference is made to the 2nd part of the statement regarding how the money saved was going to be used.

The clear inference was that it was going to be used to fund the NHS and we all know he's backtracked on that.

Until Mr Johnson increases the NHS budget by £350million a week, the big red bus lie is exactly that, a lie ...

Perhaps if you read it all ?

But you put the allegation;

"[I]The allegation is that the Claimant endorsed two misleading statements: “We send the
EU £350 million a week let’s fund our NHS instead” and “Let’s give our NHS the £350
million the EU takes every week”. The first was displayed on the side of a bus as part

and that allegation was thrown out, you have answered yourself albeit unwittingly it seems

[Alikado]

How I miss my own point is a new one on me but still the point I made quite clearly is we will decide on the spending of the whole Gross figure not the EU.

We do not control the EU grants, rebates, subsidies, the private sector recipients including farmers, research bodies.
Other recipients include poorer areas Wales Cornwall etc.

But Part of the Gross figure is already committed because it has been rebated so £350m is a fictitious figure.

[local]

But Part of the Gross figure is already committed because it has been rebated so £350m is a fictitious figure.

Erh no first of all the allegation that it was a lie hit the buffers in the court if you still believe any part of it was a lie you can help the legal Action.

Marcus Ball despite raising £387,725 from people who think like you still has his gold plated hand out,

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/ballvjohnson



My central point is that the entire amount and indeed all government spending if and when we leave can be allocated by our own elected representatives,

and if we don't like it they can be voted out.



As to the money being committed that ends depending on any deal, the deal that failed went to December 2020.


https://publications.parliament.uk/p...lvii/30109.htm

[AdmiralAckbar]

Perhaps if you read it all ?

But you put the allegation;

"[I]The allegation is that the Claimant endorsed two misleading statements: “We send the
EU £350 million a week let’s fund our NHS instead” and “Let’s give our NHS the £350
million the EU takes every week”. The first was displayed on the side of a bus as part

and that allegation was thrown out, you have answered yourself albeit unwittingly it seems

My point was that people, like yourself, have used this case as a "lets draw the line under that one" for the big red bus lie argument ... when the court case only judged on the legalities of using the number quoted and said nothing about the implication of future spending proposals which, for myself and many others, was the main bone of contention.

[Alikado]

Erh no first of all the allegation that it was a lie hit the buffers in the court if you still believe any part of it was a lie you can help the legal Action.

Marcus Ball despite raising £387,725 from people who think like you still has his gold plated hand out,

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/ballvjohnson



My central point is that the entire amount and indeed all government spending if and when we leave can be allocated by our own elected representatives,

and if we don't like it they can be voted out.



As to the money being committed that ends depending on any deal, the deal that failed went to December 2020.


https://publications.parliament.uk/p...lvii/30109.htm

That money from the rebate has been out of the equation for 35 years you cannot suddenly bring it back into it.
The £350m wasn't a lie it was merely an untruth, something that politicians are very adept at dealing in.