Immigration

[Stuartli]

'Come one, come all', is all very well for some to say. But then, they won't be around in 100yrs time, having to live with the resultant overcrowding!

The last single daily tally of rubber-boaters I heard reported, was 1,200. It doesn't take an Einstein to work out that's roughly 300,000 per year, or 3,000,000 every ten years. At the present rate, we'll be looking at around 30million extra foreign bods within a century.

A figure Which doesn't even take account of the inevitable extra pressure to migrate, due to rising future sealevels flooding lowlying swathes of the developing world. They will doubtless demand entry, on the basis of: 'well it was your country who put all the CO2 up there in the Industrial Revolution. So now we're all flooded out, you can jolly well let us in and look after us!'

You consistently continue to provide evidence that you are somewhat short of the necessary intellect to offer sensible and constructive comments...

[The PNP]

You consistently continue to provide evidence that you are somewhat short of the necessary intellect to offer sensible and constructive comments...

You're saying that you dispute the projected figures I gave?

It would be most interested to hear your alternative estimate of 100years worth of rubber-boat arrivals.....

[Desert Region]

STILL NO NAME FOR THE 'IN LIVING MEMORY' COUNTRY?

The PNP was indeed referring to 'the Jews' and Israel.

See the Middle east crisis. thread for corroborating posts.

[bensherman]

UK fifth in table for accepting refugees
And 16th in table for numbers per 1000 residents
Currently we have net emigration, not immigration.
Interviews with arrivals reveal most don't even know about our benefits system
Deportation is being hindered by now being unable to research applicants on the European databases which have information about them. There is a massive irony in that point alone...

It is a problem, but in proportion we have several far bigger ones. It suits this government to have us distracted by it, helped by the Mail , Express, Farage..if you think they really want to solve this, why do you think Johnson's letter overnight was made public? There was no intention to progress the matter; just a desire to reassure the knuckle-draggers.

[local]

It's another example of France needing help.

They have been offered assistance and rebuffed it in a foolish attempt by the little one, Macron, to look "bigger" for his election chances.

All at the expense of people drowning in the channel.

Whatever agreement does or does not exist a country that lets people or should I more accurately say watch people go into a very busy shipping lane in "paddling pools" has blood on its hands.

The EU lets people through its porous borders and tips some out into the busiest shipping channel in the world in rubber dinghies.

Our fantastic RNLI and Border Force people pick up the pieces and save the people they have disregarded with no consideration for their welfare into the sea.

We have seen how our faux friends have soon turned when we wanted to run our own affairs.

I liken it to a family member looking to be independent, it's not a time for rancour and threats.

[Theatrics]

"Interviews with arrivals reveal most don't even know about our benefits system"


Yeah right, of course they don't!

[local]

"Interviews with arrivals reveal most don't even know about our benefits system"


Yeah right, of course they don't!

Of course they know the system that's why they bin their documents and phones its a silly argument to make (I don't blame them if that's what it takes)

There are many migrant support groups to help them access anything going.

[Theatrics]

The truth is once an asylum seeker reaches British soil, they are unlikely to leave - whether or not their claim is genuine. And that is just one reason why so many risk their lives to reach here. This is a safe, prosperous country, far more generous to asylum seekers than most of its neighbours, where claimants are housed, fed and even permitted to work after the first year, £40 per week, free mobiles, 4 star hotels and lawyers to help with their asylum applications, not bad is it.

Of course, they don't know about all this lol.

[Alikado]

The truth is once an asylum seeker reaches British soil, they are unlikely to leave - whether or not their claim is genuine. And that is just one reason why so many risk their lives to reach here. This is a safe, prosperous country, far more generous to asylum seekers than most of its neighbours, where claimants are housed, fed and even permitted to work after the first year, £40 per week, free mobiles, 4 star hotels and lawyers to help with their asylum applications, not bad is it.

Of course, they don't know about all this lol.

If a failed asylum seeker remains in this country it is the fault of the Government - nobody else. If they have no desire to remove failed asylum seekers they should remove the regulations on the transport carriers which make them liable for carrying people without the correct documentation, that would put the people smugglers out of business in minutes and prevent all the unnecessary deaths.

[bensherman]

It's another example of France needing help.

They have been offered assistance and rebuffed it in a foolish attempt by the little one, Macron, to look "bigger" for his election chances.

All at the expense of people drowning in the channel.

Whatever agreement does or does not exist a country that lets people or should I more accurately say watch people go into a very busy shipping lane in "paddling pools" has blood on its hands.

The EU lets people through its porous borders and tips some out into the busiest shipping channel in the world in rubber dinghies.

Our fantastic RNLI and Border Force people pick up the pieces and save the people they have disregarded with no consideration for their welfare into the sea.

We have seen how our faux friends have soon turned when we wanted to run our own affairs.

I liken it to a family member looking to be independent, it's not a time for rancour and threats.

Yes of course.
I ask again, why do you think Johnson made it public? It's only to fool people like you.
He is right, isn't he because you fall for all the cliches you have quoted.
And you are determined to ignore the facts in favour of xenophobic tropes. Which includes your naivety that it would be just Macron playing political games; Johnson does exactly the same, but badly.
These people are breaking no laws in France.
And France has demonstrated just as much concern about saving them as we have.
This is just one of the many incidents we can look forward to as a consequence of our stupid departure from the EU . Demanding co-operation from an organisation we have just left acrimoniously is not going to work.

[bensherman]

If a failed asylum seeker remains in this country it is the fault of the Government - nobody else. If they have no desire to remove failed asylum seekers they should remove the regulations on the transport carriers which make them liable for carrying people without the correct documentation, that would put the people smugglers out of business in minutes and prevent all the unnecessary deaths.

If we still had access to the EU databases we could process them far more quickly than now.

The regulations about carriers are international and not ones that we can change unilaterally. They do at least mean that there are checks conducted by carriers at their expense before allowing people to travel and that has, for example, been prominent in applying all of the recent Covid requirements.

4 star hotels? We mean like the Scarisbrick then??? The alternative? Let them find their own places to live- oh dear we can't find them to deport them , can we? An excellent way of making them subject to exploitation in the black economy,

£40 a week...good Lord, living in luxury then....Most of it is in the form of shopping vouchers..

Good thing we didn't throw £37bn at Track and Trace, or more billions buying defective PPE from ministers' mates, or £4bn so far trying to prop up the Brexit road crash, eh?

[Theatrics]

"4 star hotels? We mean like the Scarisbrick then???"

Compared to where they are used to living it must feel like Downton Abbey.

[sandGroundZero]

… When I was in India they all wanted to go to Britain. When asked why they said:

1. "Your government pay you not to work"
2. "You have free health care."
3. "You get a pension."

frames immigration in such a way as to invite

… I would draw a very strict line at people who abandon their homes and head for Europe/the UK, simply to make (or claim!) money.
…[crossing the channel] in a flimsy rubber boat, is imo simply taking the p*$$

In view of England's and Europe's part in world history since the 16^th century and especially in view of some highly contentious international interventions in the lifetime of posters, this thread inclines to complacent navel-gazing. It got worse when facile historical analogy is introduced.

[Toodles McGinty]

Asylum seekers receive more cash in benefits in France than they would in Britain. Even more in Germany.

As was discussed in last night's 'Question Time', one solution would be to place processing centres across Europe, to assess whether or not an individual qualifies for asylum. Then provide safe passage to Britain.

Disqualify anyone who doesn't go through those channels.

The current situation where desperate people are drowning is totally inhumane and unacceptable.

Of course, having European processing centres would require a certain amount of co-operation from the EU, and we've pretty much managed to burn our bridges on that score.

[salus.populi]

"4 star hotels? We mean like the Scarisbrick then???"

Compared to where they are used to living it must feel like Downton Abbey.

I'd take pre civil war Syria over a Brittannia Hotel anyday.