Originally Posted by local

I like entirely separate ones but these roadside botch ups are generally useless for the environment and encouraging cycling, for which they clearly are an abject failure.

I also like entirely separate ones. Much safer and can avoid 'pinching' tarmac from motor traffic.

For best practice, look no further than NL, where they think nothing of completely remodelling a street, moving kerbs and all.....Here in the UK, more often than not its a quick fix with a can of white paint!

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

I can see it now, all is clear, indicators flashing brightly, the lights are changing and some Nob on a bike comes up the inside of me while I am attempting to turn left.
My left hand mirror has saved more lives than Florence nightingale, nowerdays while turning left at lights my road position is such that bike lane or not there’s no room on my near side to pass .. like it or not.

Idiots like you and your blatant disregard for the Highway Code and lack of courtesy to other road users is the exact reason why we need more dedicated cycle lanes.

Originally Posted by The PNP

I also like entirely separate ones. Much safer and can avoid 'pinching' tarmac from motor traffic.

For best practice, look no further than NL, where they think nothing of completely remodelling a street, moving kerbs and all.....Here in the UK, more often than not its a quick fix with a can of white paint!

Why give irrelevant comparisons with the Netherlands?

Remodelling OUR streets is an entirely different proposition and as we see on a regular basis they aren't used when they have been.

Houghton Street and much of the town where there is cycling lanes which I had occasion to visit quite a few times recently was bereft of other cyclists.

Money would be far better spent elsewhere, building facilities to lie empty is simply a waste.

Free GYM membership and weight classes might be more useful for our groaning and obese nation.

Originally Posted by salus.populi

I don't see the need for reducing 2 lanes to 1 at Cambridge Road lights, nor do I see the need for the convoluted arrangements for cycle lanes at the lights

What you see is irrelevant as it obviously IS what Sefton see. Is that simple enough for you.

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

I can see it now, all is clear, indicators flashing brightly, the lights are changing and some Nob on a bike comes up the inside of me while I am attempting to turn left.
My left hand mirror has saved more lives than Florence nightingale, nowerdays while turning left at lights my road position is such that bike lane or not there’s no room on my near side to pass .. like it or not.

I’m wondering who the Nob is!

With your attitude to other road users, you should seriously consider some further driver training as you need to get up to speed on the Highway Code.

(You might also want to have a look at the offence of careless and inconsiderate driving, something which you’re admitting to in your post!)

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

What you see is irrelevant as it obviously IS what Sefton see. Is that simple enough for you.

It's a forum for expressing one's own opinion. Is that simple enough for you?
I will however refrain from expressing my opinion about you.

Originally Posted by local

Why give irrelevant comparisons with the Netherlands?

Remodelling OUR streets is an entirely different proposition and as we see on a regular basis they aren't used when they have been.

Houghton Street and much of the town where there is cycling lanes which I had occasion to visit quite a few times recently was bereft of other cyclists.

Money would be far better spent elsewhere, building facilities to lie empty is simply a waste.

Free GYM membership and weight classes might be more useful for our groaning and obese nation.

Considering all the outrage and furore over the past year about one of the main roads in the town centre I'd have thought that locals ought to be able to spell it correctly by now.

Originally Posted by local

Why give irrelevant comparisons with the Netherlands?....Remodelling OUR streets is an entirely different proposition

It's very relevant......Both here and in NL, what we have in common beneath our flags and kerbs is sand - an easy to dig material.

The way it's done, is by moving the kerb towards the roadway a couple of feet, take a couple of feet off the pavement too. Then use the space you've won, to provide a nice safe cycle-path minimum four feet wide (six feet width where possible) separated from road and pavement by its own kerbing. Other side of road do the same, giving riders of all ages and abilities their own unique 'highways'.

If you haven't tried riding a bike in NL, I'd suggest giving it a go, or at least view a few videos of cycling in NL. I can't imagine why someone who cycles themselves, would write off a straightforward engineering solution that's so well proven.

Originally Posted by lawed143

This is why segregation is needed. Cos of idiots like you, who think you can do what you like. Filtering is legal...it’s in the Highway Code. You would also be breaking the law by crossing over in front of a cyclist coming up a cycle lane on your nearside. Check the highway code, you’ll learn a bit and make everyone safer.
Your attitude to other road users is unacceptable.
You’re a danger, and should give up driving.

Quote the Highway Code and all the legalities to the hospital porters as they carry you in as you are a danger to yourself going up the inside of indicating vehicles turning left, yea I can do what I like I don’t care about you on your stupid bicycle if you are going to do daft tricks like that .

Originally Posted by Sap33

I’m wondering who the Nob is!

With your attitude to other road users, you should seriously consider some further driver training as you need to get up to speed on the Highway Code.

(You might also want to have a look at the offence of careless and inconsiderate driving, something which you’re admitting to in your post!)

Why would you want to pass an indicating vehicle on the inside, wonder no longer .
And as it happens I am very courteous on the road.

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

Quote the Highway Code and all the legalities to the hospital porters as they carry you in as you are a danger to yourself going up the inside of indicating vehicles turning left, yea I can do what I like I don’t care about you on your stupid bicycle if you are going to do daft tricks like that .

With an attitude like that, you shouldn’t be on the road!

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

Why would you want to pass an indicating vehicle on the inside, wonder no longer .

I wouldn’t pass one that’s moving, but I would pass one that’s stationary in a line of traffic, which I’d be entitled to do as per the Highway Code.

The Nob would be the one who seems to think that deliberately blocking other road users is perfectly acceptable.

Go and have a ride around the plough roundabout and see how long you last cutting up real vehicles . Cyclists that have no real licence that quote the Highway Code should have some sort of test like the motorcycle CBT.

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

Go and have a ride around the plough roundabout and see how long you last cutting up real vehicles . Bicyclists that have no real licence that quote the Highway Code should have some sort of test like the motorcycle CBT.

If that’s directed towards me, I’ve held a full bike licence for over 20 years and was a Police advanced motorcyclist......

Well you should know better then as one door closes another one opens . https://youtu.be/dO8XqqZK-XQ