Bedtime reading material on cycle lanes in Southport

[local]

It takes me only 20mins to cycle to work (driving would be about 10mins depending on traffic).....But your suggestion to walk, would take me an hour!

Far from it, go on your bike just don't create havoc for everyone else to do it.

[Desert Region]

What members do in their own time online is their own concern....Whether a member (or members) of P'n'P decide to join Q-local and post pro-cycling comments is entirely up to them....If it has ever happened, I really wouldn't be knowing - and I would neither encourage nor discourage it.

Whether a member (or members) of P'n'P decide to join Q-local and post pro-cycling comments is entirely up to them....If it has ever happened, I really wouldn't be knowing...

Sure, members of the P'n'P would never have realised that Q-Local's prolific pro-cycling poster named the PNP was connected to the P'n'P... Utter nonsense! How dim would they have had to be not to have immediately realised?!

...and I would neither encourage nor discourage it.

More utter nonsense!

Although...I suppose this website's owner might be a bit disappointed to learn from you that you couldn't be bothered to encourage any of those supposed hundreds of your fellow P'n'P members to have joined Q-Local and posted here. And furthermore that you couldn't be bothered to even mention to those hundreds of fellow P'n'P'ers about the existence of Q-Local forums.

[The PNP]

A) Sure, members of the P'n'P would never have realised that Q-Local's prolific pro-cycling poster named the PNP was connected to the P'n'P... Utter nonsense! How dim would they have had to be not to have immediately realised?!

B) Although...I suppose this website's owner might be a bit disappointed to learn from you that you couldn't be bothered to encourage any of those supposed hundreds of your fellow P'n'P members to have joined Q-Local and posted here. And furthermore that you couldn't be bothered to even mention to those hundreds of fellow P'n'P'ers about the existence of Q-Local forums.

A) I'm sure if any of our members were/are on here, they would pretty soon have made the connection....If not by my PNP 'avatar', then by the pro-cycle-infrastructure posts I regularly make.

B) Apart from when recruiting, I rarely get the chance to chat directly with member/s - we are not some sort of social club!

[Desert Region]

A) I'm sure if any of our members were/are on here, they would pretty soon have made the connection....If not by my PNP 'avatar', then by the pro-cycle-infrastructure posts I regularly make.

Erm, good to hear you repeat my point!

B) Apart from when recruiting, I rarely get the chance to chat directly with member/s - we are not some sort of social club!

"recruiting"

"I rarely get the chance to chat directly with member/s"

No headquarters, no website, no social media presence, etc, plus...little to no communication! Little wonder it withered on the vine.

And even if the topic of Q-Local had have happened to come up in a conversation then joining Q-Local would not have been something you would have "encouraged" anyway.

[The PNP]

A) No headquarters, no website, no social media presence, etc, plus...little to no communication! Little wonder it withered on the vine.

B) And even if the topic of Q-Local had have happened to come up in a conversation then joining Q-Local would not have been something you would have "encouraged" anyway.

A) No costs either! If you'll fund a website/headquarters, then sure we'll take it - meanwhile an email Newsletter to members works just fine!

N.B. If you're looking for an actual cycling club, with bricks and mortar headquarters and weekly meetups, there's always Southport Cycling Club. They've been going a whole lot longer than us - give 'em a try and you won't be disappointed.

B) When chatting with/recruiting a potential new member, conversation centres on what has been done/what more can be done on the ground to make life safer for us .

[Desert Region]

A) No costs either! If you'll fund a website/headquarters, then sure we'll take it - meanwhile an email Newsletter to members works just fine!

Erm, you introduced the mention of a social club and thereby the absence of bricks-and-mortar! I merely agreed that the little-to-no communication P'n'P also wasn't that! That it neither had a website (digital) nor a social media presence (digital) in addition to it not having a physical presence! Do keep up!

N.B. If you're looking for an actual cycling club, with bricks and mortar headquarters and weekly meetups, there's always Southport Cycling Club. They've been going a whole lot longer than us - give 'em a try and you won't be disappointed.

Erm, as I've pointed out, you introduced the notion of a club! Do keep up!

So, then, SCC have a physical presence and I've just checked to see that they also have a digital presence with an impressively designed and comprehensive website! Good for them, eh?! Lol.

B) When chatting with/recruiting a potential new member, conversation centres on what has been/what more can be, done on the ground to make life safer for us.

Still wittering about "recruitment"!

For members communication, that which would have serviced that need would have been something like -oh, let's see- an online forum...

If only there had been an existing local online forum, ideally one that was already continually riddled with cycling related threads...!


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Indeed, as I said earlier:

Although...I suppose this website's owner might be a bit disappointed to learn from you that you couldn't be bothered to encourage any of those supposed hundreds of your fellow P'n'P members to have joined Q-Local and posted here. And furthermore that you couldn't be bothered to even mention to those hundreds of fellow P'n'P'ers about the existence of Q-Local forums.

[The PNP]

For members communication, that which would have serviced that need would have been something like -oh, let's see- an online forum...If only there had been an existing local online forum, ideally one that was already continually riddled with cycling related threads...!

Any member can communicate simply by sending in an email, or even by 'snailmail', which does occasionally happen.

Trying to piggyback our group onto a public forum like Q-local sounds like a great plan. That is, until you consider the disruptive posts that several of the anti-cycling dudes on here, would inevitably delight in interjecting into our proceedings - duh!

[Stuartli]

Trying to piggyback our group onto a public forum like Q-local sounds like a great plan. That is, until you consider the disruptive posts that several of the anti-cycling dudes on here, would inevitably delight in interjecting into our proceedings - duh!

Or you could consider the disruptive posts that at least one of the anti-motorists dudes on here would inevitably delight in interjecting into our proceedings - duh!

Your hypocrisy continues to utterly beggar belief.

[silver fox]

A) It's in built-up areas where the need for safe cycle tarmac is greatest, since that's where the majority of shorter trips are made. But I don't know where you are getting your 'demolition' from. We're not talking about putting three-lane motorways through here, just safe cycleways alongside main roads.

B) Bearing in mind the very pressing #Climate Emergency we're all in, would it be any bad thing if more people migrated back to working and shopping less far away? Whilst there will always be the need for a percentage of longer cross-country trips, many other trips are short by their nature. E.g. all the many everyday trips made by those living and working/attending school/college etc, within their own towns and conurbations.

Your para B), You do talk wet at times, many of our villages, towns even cities were built around a premier industry, those industries are now much diminished or vanished all together, now you tell me just what the people living in those areas do for work, surprise, surprise, they travel, public transport very often doesn't meet the needs, so they turn to the car, in your fantasy world everyone should cycle, but that is only in your fantasy world.

The answer will come from vehicles with lower and lower emissions, because there is and will be for some time a need for a mobile workforce.

[The PNP]

A) Your para B), You do talk wet at times, many of our villages, towns even cities were built around a premier industry, those industries are now much diminished or vanished all together, now you tell me just what the people living in those areas do for work, surprise, surprise, they travel, public transport very often doesn't meet the needs, so they turn to the car, in your fantasy world everyone should cycle, but that is only in your fantasy world.

B) The answer will come from vehicles with lower and lower emissions, because there is and will be for some time a need for a mobile workforce.

A) Nothing so dramatic.....Though it would be better for everyone, if those who can, did cycle when it's practical to do so. If that were to happen, around 30% of local motor traffic would disappear, reducing congestion and parking issues by 30% for those who had to drive.

B) Ah, the advent of hybrid and in particular electric cars. Until the electricity they 'refuel' with is entirely generated by zero-emission methods, they will continue to be responsible for raising global CO2 levels. Even an electric bike currently falls into the same carbon trap, though to a way lesser extent - unless of course, it's charged up at home via solar cells!

[Desert Region]

Any member can communicate simply by sending in an email, or even by 'snailmail', which does occasionally happen.

As occasionally as hi-vis P'n'P tops are spotted, no doubt!

Trying to piggyback our group onto a public forum like Q-local sounds like a great plan. That is, until you consider the disruptive posts that several of the anti-cycling dudes on here, would inevitably delight in interjecting into our proceedings - duh!

It is bizarre that the solution and its ready availability never occurred to you! If anyone deserves an almighty "duh!", it's you!

interjecting into our proceedings

Who suggested the P'n'P should have been holding a form of policy meeting on a Q thread! Lol. Again - check your comprehension! It would have been a solution to the problem of little-to-no communication, as I clearly said. Then, of course, there's the benefits of Q's PM facility...

Of course, the obvious answer remains as to the mystery of why the only P'n'P member to post on these forums was you: because the actual active P'n'P membership, even at its peak, was a miniscule number.

I suggest you take a look at the excellent Southport Cycling Club website (as well as their social media portfolio) as an example of how it's done.

[The PNP]

A) Who suggested the P'n'P should have been holding a form of policy meeting on a Q thread! Lol. Again - check your comprehension! It would have been a solution to the problem of little-to-no communication, as I clearly said. Then, of course, there's the benefits of Q's PM facility...

B) Of course, the obvious answer remains as to the mystery of why the only P'n'P member to post on these forums was you: because the actual active P'n'P membership, even at its peak, was a miniscule number.

C) I suggest you take a look at the excellent Southport Cycling Club website (as well as their social media portfolio) as an example of how it's done.

A) Why would P'n'P members need to communicate via Q-locals PM facility, when they can send stuff in using their usual email accounts?

B) I'd hardly call 300 odd memberships 'miniscule', it's in the same ballpark as SCC's total membership.

C) Better than that, I have before now physically visited the clubhouse itself!

[Desert Region]

A) Why would P'n'P members need to communicate via Q-locals PM facility, when they can send stuff in using their usual email accounts?

You talked of little-to-no communication and occasional emails. Bizarrely, you still seem blind to the benefits of having cycling enthusiasts and pressure group members engaging in a local forum where lively cycling threads seem to have long been a mainstay. The PM facility would then have been a useful and natural recourse for members to communicate privately about thoughts and issues that had arisen in the threads or had developed from them and that had probably branched into P'n'P matters; useful as a private channel, free from -oh, what was it again...- "anti-cycling dudes interjecting into your proceedings"

This is starting to feel like I'm explaining to a stubborn child!

How long did your website last again?!

B) I'd hardly call 300 odd memberships 'miniscule', it's in the same ballpark as SCC's total membership.

On yeah - the 300+ membership who presumably all received a free hi-vis P'n'P top that apparently no-one on this forum has ever spotted, and a 300+ membership of cycling enthusiasts who never posted on any of the incredible number of cycling related threads that have appeared on the forums of this local site, apart from you that is, the P'n'P website designer and P'n'P 'recruiter', with his thousands of cycling posts!

As to the current active membership of the obsolete group - you and the stamp donator.

C) Better than that, I have before now physically visited the clubhouse itself!

Silly! I'm sure that taught you a lot about designing and maintaining a successful website and social media channels.

Again, as I said:

I suggest you take a look at the excellent Southport Cycling Club website (as well as their social media portfolio) as an example of how it's done.

[silver fox]

A) No costs either! If you'll fund a website/headquarters, then sure we'll take it - meanwhile an email Newsletter to members works just fine!

N.B. If you're looking for an actual cycling club, with bricks and mortar headquarters and weekly meetups, there's always Southport Cycling Club. They've been going a whole lot longer than us - give 'em a try and you won't be disappointed.

B) When chatting with/recruiting a potential new member, conversation centres on what has been done/what more can be done on the ground to make life safer for us .

From talking to a group of SCC members, (a neighbour and friend is a member), I mentioned your presence on the forum, as I have no wish to receive a warning or ban, I will not repeat the opinions expressed by this group, OK, just a small number, but very clear.

[The PNP]

A) You talked of little-to-no communication and occasional emails. Bizarrely, you still seem blind to the benefits of having cycling enthusiasts and pressure group members engaging in a local forum where lively cycling threads seem to have long been a mainstay. The PM facility would then have been a useful and natural recourse for members to communicate privately about thoughts and issues that had arisen in the threads or had developed from them and that had probably branched into P'n'P matters; useful as a private channel, free from -oh, what was it again...- "anti-cycling dudes interjecting into your proceedings"

This is starting to feel like I'm explaining to a stubborn child!

How long did your website last again?!




On yeah - the 300+ membership who presumably all received a free hi-vis P'n'P top that apparently no-one on this forum has ever spotted, and a 300+ membership of cycling enthusiasts who never posted on any of the incredible number of cycling related threads that have appeared on the forums of this local site, apart from you that is, the P'n'P website designer and P'n'P 'recruiter', with his thousands of cycling posts!

As to the current active membership of the obsolete group - you and the stamp donator.




B) Silly! I'm sure that taught you a lot about designing and maintaining a successful website and social media channels.

Again, as I said:

A) Anyone who signed up, signed up to our objectives. We are of one mind and want the same thing, i.e. a safer environment in which to ride our bikes.....Which in the fullness of time, has helped towards achieving significant progress. E.g. designation of 'Southport Cycling Town', a traffic-free Chapel Street where cycling is permitted, rollout of 20mph zones, more/better cycle-lanes and dedicated bike tarmac.

B) Websites are fine, but who's going to pay for them?