Divided England

[Toodles McGinty]

HaHa

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...m=U%20ok%20hun

Exactly. In response to..?

[Little Londoner]

Everyone has the right to to make up their own mind whether they have the vaccine or not, simple.

No One has the right to use violence and criminal damage to get their minority uneducated decision over the majority of people who have thought about it and had the vaccine. I had my doubts about a vaccine that was produced in months rather than years but for the sake of my family and every other human I have contact with I went ahead and had it done.

Perhaps these heroic troublemakers would like to let us know how many of their "gang" have perished with Covid or would they rather say the unmarked body on the slab was hit by several HGV's vans and cars on the M6.

[local]

Everyone has the right to to make up their own mind whether they have the vaccine or not, simple.

No One has the right to use violence and criminal damage to get their minority uneducated decision over the majority of people who have thought about it and had the vaccine. I had my doubts about a vaccine that was produced in months rather than years but for the sake of my family and every other human I have contact with I went ahead and had it done.

Perhaps these heroic troublemakers would like to let us know how many of their "gang" have perished with Covid or would they rather say the unmarked body on the slab was hit by several HGV's vans and cars on the M6.

Even though I fundamentally disagree with the anti-vaxxers I don't think we should call them uneducated.

They have just come to a different decision than you or I might from the same data.

Our resident Professor has been asked to publish his alternate sources of information but has gone quiet on us.

Perhaps we are wrong?

[millsey]

Exactly. In response to..?

You tell me, you said that!

[Toodles McGinty]

You tell me, you said that!

No really, RU OK hun?

[Little Londoner]

Even though I fundamentally disagree with the anti-vaxxers I don't think we should call them uneducated.

They have just come to a different decision than you or I might from the same data.

Our resident Professor has been asked to publish his alternate sources of information but has gone quiet on us.

Perhaps we are wrong?

Why all the demo's and public upheaval I have had the vaccine and I have no wish to cause pandemonium because some won't have the jab.
Everyone is entitled to make their own mind up but they are OTT and not acting in an educated way. Maybe they have been hijacked by anarchists and every other looney group. After all no one is being forcibly injected are they?

[Alikado]

Why all the demo's and public upheaval I have had the vaccine and I have no wish to cause pandemonium because some won't have the jab.
Everyone is entitled to make their own mind up but they are OTT and not acting in an educated way. Maybe they have been hijacked by anarchists and every other looney group. After all no one is being forcibly injected are they?

Perhaps it is being caused by the Government rhetoric which has been quite forceful at times and people are pushing back because they believe that they are not being allowed to make their own minds up.
Nobody being forcibly injected? The new rules for Care Workers are only a short step away from that.

[Desert Region]

Perhaps it is being caused by the Government rhetoric which has been quite forceful at times and people are pushing back because they believe that they are not being allowed to make their own minds up.

I think the vast majority of people have had plenty of time to make up their minds.

If people are testy about UK Government rhetoric about vaccine responsibilities then they should count themselves 'lucky' they're not living in Italy:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/w...law-covid.html

Nobody being forcibly injected? The new rules for Care Workers are only a short step away from that.

And a good thing, too.

Imagine a care worker attending the house of a severely immunocompromised person. Now imagine that the care worker insists on their 'freedom' to choose to not be vaccinated. I presume that clarifies the problem for you.

[Alikado]

I think the vast majority of people have had plenty of time to make up their minds.

If people are testy about UK Government rhetoric about vaccine responsibilities then they should count themselves 'lucky' they're not living in Italy:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/w...law-covid.html




And a good thing, too.

Imagine a care worker attending the house of a severely immunocompromised person. Now imagine that the care worker insists on their 'freedom' to choose to not be vaccinated. I presume that clarifies the problem for you.

What is unusual about Italy, they are just asking for either proof of vaccination, recovery from the virus or the result of a negative test, no different to what this country ask for to come back from a holiday.

It is still their choice, if they were vaccinated there would be more chance that they would be asymptomatic and therefore more likely to be spreading as the unvaccinated would probably be off work sick.

[Desert Region]

It is still their choice, if they were vaccinated there would be more chance that they would be asymptomatic and therefore more likely to be spreading as the unvaccinated would probably be off work sick.

As was pointed out earlier to you: "no one is being forcibly injected." It seems you now agree.

That's an odd argument you're making: that it would be safer if care workers were unvaccinated.

[Desert Region]

What is unusual about Italy, they are just asking for either proof of vaccination, recovery from the virus or the result of a negative test, no different to what this country ask for to come back from a holiday.

You ask what's unusual about Italy. You've already answered your own question...

...no different to what this country ask for to come back from a holiday.

[Alikado]

As was pointed out earlier to you: "no one is being forcibly injected." It seems you now agree.

That's an odd argument you're making: that it would be safer if care workers were unvaccinated.

They are not being forcibly vaccinated but will lose the livelihood if not, that isn't a million miles away from compulsory vaccination.
The vaccinated often show little or symptoms as do children perhaps that is why it runs rampant through the schools.

[said]

Yea so say the government /governments . Hmm people are put down as covid deaths if they have been tested positive in the last month even if they get run over and killed the next day so I don’t know what to believe I could go on all day with opposing controversy and it’s because there is some doubt and governments are well known for manipulating figures and closing down differing views and on social media mostly with fear makes me more unsure. Today right now on euronews France is imposing major sanctions for the unvaxed charging them more than £20 for tests they are saying to charge them usually makes them comply ( I suppose they have tried bribing folk with the likes of free burgers ) now and not allowing them on trains and such without double vax, European pressure is mounting governments and vaxxers are saying it’s sensible others are saying it’s pressure to comply for reasons not being made clear, vaccinating folk is a big push all of a sudden they have found a malaria vaccine and are vaccinating peoples that are less likely to have the covid vax available to them, as long as they get a needle into their arm some would say . But again I don’t know, it could be that I am a conspiracy theorist or it’s just that I don’t believe everything I hear without proper evidence, maybe that why I am not over religious or generally gullable .

Good for you - that is the right thing to do. When anything is given blanket coverage and commenting on it is barred - you know it is untrue. Step back and see the larger picture - e.g. Food shortages, insufficient lorry drivers? No, suppliers have not got the supplies = cost cutting.

[salus.populi]

They are not being forcibly vaccinated but will lose the livelihood if not, that isn't a million miles away from compulsory vaccination.
The vaccinated often show little or symptoms as do children perhaps that is why it runs rampant through the schools.

There's lots of other jobs they can do. Care or medical work doesn't seem suited to people who refuse to be vaccinated.

[Desert Region]

They are not being forcibly vaccinated but will lose the livelihood if not, that isn't a million miles away from compulsory vaccination.

I thought you just said that it's "still their choice"? Unless you meant that society should respect and maintain care workers' freedom of choice to not be vaccinated and continue in that livelihood.

I disagree.