General Election Outcome

[silver fox]

My comment on Labour voters supporting Tory's for Brexit was historical.
Been done and gone old bean.


Yes I do hope there will be an elite revolution to save Britain from the binge and starve consequence of a Labour Government.

The only people who get richer off the backs of a Labour Gov are the Socialist elite and migrant/immigrant peoples who come to this Country with nothing and work their bones off to take advantage of our education system/equality laws/litigation encouragement to improve their lives.

The help resources and money needs to go to those who have been bypassed in previous generations by the education system and help/advantage when the system was not as fair with much less competition.

Stopping the flow of the have nothing at alls will concentrate resources on the have nothings already here.

The elite are already pretty revolting, self serving, aided and abetted by Tories, just where or when have bloody Tories pumped funding into the systems serving the majority? tax cuts for the wealthy, is were any spare funds go, everybody else gets cuts in funding and resources, hand public sector work to private companies, not to save money, but to hand taxpayer's money to their friends and funders, recent increases in NHS pay, yet agency workers contracted through outsourcing companies get minimum pay only, even when doing the same or similar work, no saving to the NHS, just increased profits for the outsourcing companies, amazingly when these "brilliant super efficient" companies are taken to task over the level of service provided, the terms and conditions of their workforce, they immediately cry poverty.

[Hamble]

Because a Tory government will spend any extra money on poor people? Come on, they are systematically killing off the 'have nothings'.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/05/auste...-help-8207985/

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/news/aus...o-new-research

This government is incompetent, clueless and has done nothing whatsoever to improve the lives of poor people. Quite the opposite. Their most recent tax cuts will only benefit the wealthy, in real terms. This is quite possibly the worst government in history, from every aspect. Whether it is cuts to the police, Universal Credit, Brexit, housing, the NHS, massaging employment figures, whatever. There is no way they have done a single positive thing for this country.

Seriously, name one policy that has helped the poor of this country.


And immigrants from the EEA generally contribute to the government coffers, rather than drain them.

It's non EEA immigrants that take from the system. There will be plenty of those after Brexit, because you know that any deals done with non-EEA areas will include movement to the UK.

"An estimated £78bn of public spending is linked to dealing with poverty and its consequences. This includes spending on healthcare, education, justice, child and adult social services...." - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/we-can-solve-poverty-uk

I explained how immigrants survive and get out of poverty through work and education.

For many of the have nots in second generation non working family's poverty is harder to escape particularly if ill health and lack of achievements place them behind others.

Those years of being laid off work in economic slumps cause depression and anxiety.
New Labour just paid people to stay out of the jobs market.
These people and their children are suffering poverty.

[Hamble]

The elite are already pretty revolting, self serving, aided and abetted by Tories, just where or when have bloody Tories pumped funding into the systems serving the majority? tax cuts for the wealthy, is were any spare funds go, everybody else gets cuts in funding and resources, hand public sector work to private companies, not to save money, but to hand taxpayer's money to their friends and funders, recent increases in NHS pay, yet agency workers contracted through outsourcing companies get minimum pay only, even when doing the same or similar work, no saving to the NHS, just increased profits for the outsourcing companies, amazingly when these "brilliant super efficient" companies are taken to task over the level of service provided, the terms and conditions of their workforce, they immediately cry poverty.

Who is going to make the wealth of this country?

The wonderful nhs staffed by wonderful people also loses billions to theft sick leave and litigation each year.

[silver fox]

"An estimated £78bn of public spending is linked to dealing with poverty and its consequences. This includes spending on healthcare, education, justice, child and adult social services...." - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/we-can-solve-poverty-uk

I explained how immigrants survive and get out of poverty through work and education.

For many of the have nots in second generation non working family's poverty is harder to escape particularly if ill health and lack of achievements place them behind others.

Those years of being laid off work in economic slumps cause depression and anxiety.
New Labour just paid people to stay out of the jobs market.
These people and their children are suffering poverty.

Suggest you rethink that statement, the worst offender ever for paying people not to work was Thatcher, wasted North Sea oil revenues while busily laying off entire industries, the problems then come because the following generation were born into a non working household, without any support.

When it comes to economic slumps the Tories were very much the architects more often than not.

[silver fox]

Who is going to make the wealth of this country?

The wonderful nhs staffed by wonderful people also loses billions to theft sick leave and litigation each year.

The ultra wealthy go to great lengths to ensure that their profits stay firmly in their pockets, they aren't wealth creators, mainly profit takers and in the main don't give a damn where or how the profit is made, just as long as this profit sticks with them.

Yes there are companies who employ and pay correctly, but in the main every dodge in the book is used to do exactly the opposite.

Have you bothered to study a report on sick leave and even litigation causes? the main cause is overworked, overstressed staff, exhausted and rushed staff make mistakes, the same staff are much more likely to go off sick, if only to get a break, then of course we also have the ambulance chasing legal vultures, some who will frankly create a case out of nothing, they don't care about the NHS nor the patient, just another money stream to them.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...llion-14116578


https://www.theguardian.com/society/...k-life-balance

https://www.bmj.com/content/360/bmj.k1074

http://www.nhsemployers.org/your-wor...-the-workplace

Then of course

https://www.googleadservices.com/pag...BAgLEAE&adurl=


https://www.googleadservices.com/pag...BAgOEAE&adurl=

You like a few links, there you go fill your boots.

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The Finacial Times reports that the only people to benefit from immigration are the immigrants themselves.

[Hamble]

Suggest you rethink that statement, the worst offender ever for paying people not to work was Thatcher, wasted North Sea oil revenues while busily laying off entire industries, the problems then come because the following generation were born into a non working household, without any support.

When it comes to economic slumps the Tories were very much the architects more often than not.

Show me the figures then?

[Hamble]

The ultra wealthy go to great lengths to ensure that their profits stay firmly in their pockets, they aren't wealth creators, mainly profit takers and in the main don't give a damn where or how the profit is made, just as long as this profit sticks with them.

Yes there are companies who employ and pay correctly, but in the main every dodge in the book is used to do exactly the opposite.

Have you bothered to study a report on sick leave and even litigation causes? the main cause is overworked, overstressed staff, exhausted and rushed staff make mistakes, the same staff are much more likely to go off sick, if only to get a break, then of course we also have the ambulance chasing legal vultures, some who will frankly create a case out of nothing, they don't care about the NHS nor the patient, just another money stream to them.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...llion-14116578


https://www.theguardian.com/society/...k-life-balance

https://www.bmj.com/content/360/bmj.k1074

http://www.nhsemployers.org/your-wor...-the-workplace

Then of course

https://www.googleadservices.com/pag...BAgLEAE&adurl=


https://www.googleadservices.com/pag...BAgOEAE&adurl=

You like a few links, there you go fill your boots.

So are nhs *wouldsinkwithoutimmigrants* is filled with employees not coping?

Staffed by non Tory voters/workers on paid high wages not up to the job?
Biggest employer not in the highest 20% tax barrier?

Can not push the argument both ways.

None changes the fact that the biggest Socialist State entity being reflects human behaviour through all society of wealth.

You should chill about other peoples lawful wealth or retire to a place where it pleases you to wake up with no prospect of escaping poverty and
the benefits of created wealth are not going to upset you.

[AdmiralAckbar]

Who is going to make the wealth of this country?

Depends what you mean by "wealth of this country".

There has to be something wrong in society when the government is helping the ultra-rich get richer whilst there are rough sleepers dying on the streets, and more people than ever having to rely on foodbanks.

If you cannot see there's a problem then you are actually part of the problem.