Liz commented...

'Southport does not have its own walk in centre unlike Ormskirk and Skelmersdale.



Liz with Sefton MP Bill Esterson

'As a result some people within the Sefton CCG area and West Lancashire CCG area are having to travel over 10 miles to a Walk in Centre.

'A Walk in Centre in Southport would alleviate pressures on the overstretched A&E services at Southport, could allow for basic diagnostics to occur and for minor injuries to be treated, including children who would only need to go to Ormskirk for more major A&E issues.'

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Keep up to date Liz. By the end of this year there will be no "Walk in Centres" !

But since when did politicians let facts get in the way of jumping on a good band wagon?

A little research is often a good idea.

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs...t-care-centre/

Originally Posted by roving-eye

Liz commented...

A Walk in Centre in Southport would alleviate pressures on the overstretched A&E services at Southport ....

A little more research shows that a "Walk in Centre" (Urgent Care Centre)
located in the same grounds as A&E, which is what Liz supports, is not good practice.
http://www.managementinpractice.com/...re-finds-resea
" And almost 80% of those at walk-in centres had been redirected there from emergency care departments....There is no evidence from the data available that walk-in centres colocated with A&E departments have achieved the aim of increasing patient choice, preferences or satisfaction with care received."

Once again facts get in the way of politicians and their ambitions.

Own goal!!

Originally Posted by r4dent

A little more research shows that a "Walk in Centre" (Urgent Care Centre)
located in the same grounds as A&E, which is what Liz supports, is not good practice.
http://www.managementinpractice.com/...re-finds-resea
" And almost 80% of those at walk-in centres had been redirected there from emergency care departments....There is no evidence from the data available that walk-in centres colocated with A&E departments have achieved the aim of increasing patient choice, preferences or satisfaction with care received."

Once again facts get in the way of politicians and their ambitions.

The 'Walk in' Centre at Ormskirk is the busiest part of the hospital - but 'walk in' is a moot point since most people drive to the hospital there. The parking facilities at Southport Hospital would not be able to cope, there is not enough space.

Instead of building a housing estate next to the hospital - the land should have been used to extend this very busy hospital and include additional car parking space. Better still, the hospital should have been moved to a larger and more suitable building when the changes to A & E were made.

Originally Posted by r4dent

Keep up to date Liz. By the end of this year there will be no "Walk in Centres" !

But since when did politicians let facts get in the way of jumping on a good band wagon?

A little research is often a good idea.

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs...t-care-centre/

So, within your link, it says "By the end of 2019, these will all be called urgent treatment centres."

Had this report been after 2019 then maybe you would have had a point.

Originally Posted by r4dent

A little more research shows that a "Walk in Centre" (Urgent Care Centre)
located in the same grounds as A&E, which is what Liz supports, is not good practice.
http://www.managementinpractice.com/...re-finds-resea
" And almost 80% of those at walk-in centres had been redirected there from emergency care departments....There is no evidence from the data available that walk-in centres colocated with A&E departments have achieved the aim of increasing patient choice, preferences or satisfaction with care received."

Once again facts get in the way of politicians and their ambitions.

That link is twelve years old.

I'm no expert but I would imagine that medicine and patient care has moved on since that report from 2007 !!!.

Originally Posted by AdmiralAckbar

That link is twelve years old.

I'm no expert but I would imagine that medicine and patient care has moved on since that report from 2007 !!!.

We are talking about patient behavior not medical treatment. If Urgent Care Centres and A&E are in the same grounds 80% of people in UCC have been to A&E first.

The NHS hasn't felt the need to review the evidence so that is what they are basing policies on.

Of course if you have a more up to date survey I'd gladly study it.

Originally Posted by AdmiralAckbar

So, within your link, it says "By the end of 2019, these will all be called urgent treatment centres."

Had this report been after 2019 then maybe you would have had a point.

So you support Liz in advocating the introduction of a service that will probably need revising (and renaming) almost as soon as it is introduced?

My point was that she should have shown that she was current with NHS policy by campaigning for a UCC at Southport.

P.S. Fancy a small wager of NHS managing to get a centre of any sort open by the end of 2019 ?

Originally Posted by r4dent

So you support Liz in advocating the introduction of a service that will probably need revising (and renaming) almost as soon as it is introduced?

My point was that she should have shown that she was current with NHS policy by campaigning for a UCC at Southport.

P.S. Fancy a small wager of NHS managing to get a centre of any sort open by the end of 2019 ?

i have cared for my my family members for 30 years....the nhs is a mess....my conclusion is all doctors surgeries be put into the local hospitals...my partner works for a doctors surgery...they are at war with the hospitals..its all about money and referalls....it costs a surgery to refer a cancer patient...do i need to go on??...all gps need to be put into the local hospitals..you wont believe that your tests are not sent off because it costs the the independant surgeries money,,the surgeries are a money making scheme....they are making hundreds of thousands...but wont refer patients...the only answer is stop making doctors surgeries a money making scheme and make them part of the nhs and not independant companies that syphon off millions

Originally Posted by thediscovolante

i have cared for my my family members for 30 years....the nhs is a mess....my conclusion is all doctors surgeries be put into the local hospitals......the only answer is stop making doctors surgeries a money making scheme and make them part of the nhs and not independant companies that syphon off millions

Not quite sure what all this has to do with Liz Savage jumping on a bandwagon.

I sympathise with you looking after your family members for 30 years, I have a disabled son who I have looked after for the past 48 years. When I could no longer look after my mother-in-law because I had a heart attack I had to pay towards her EMI home. Over the 15 years she was in care I paid out over £50k because Sefton refused to. Before someone jumps in, we went to appeal but they just demanded more medical evidence and because they failed to meet government timescale guidelines they demanded these after she had passed.

But I must disagree with your attack on GPs and your suggestion that we move them all into hospitals. That just wouldn't work.

I note that your partner works in a surgery If she can prove that they are siphoning millions of £££ she should notify the police in fraud is involved; blow the whistle if procedures are being abused; and resign if she objects to their business practices.

For your sake I hope that can prove everything you say before a hard working stressed out GP decides to sue for libel.

My daughter is a GP and from personal knowledge I can assure you she hasn't siphoned off a penny let alone millions.

Originally Posted by thediscovolante

i have cared for my my family members for 30 years....the nhs is a mess....my conclusion is all doctors surgeries be put into the local hospitals...my partner works for a doctors surgery...they are at war with the hospitals..its all about money and referalls....it costs a surgery to refer a cancer patient...do i need to go on??...all gps need to be put into the local hospitals..you wont believe that your tests are not sent off because it costs the the independant surgeries money,,the surgeries are a money making scheme....they are making hundreds of thousands...but wont refer patients...the only answer is stop making doctors surgeries a money making scheme and make them part of the nhs and not independant companies that syphon off millions

You have your opinion, but just one question, if GP's surgeries are so lucrative, why are we desperately short of GPs?

I understand the scramble over money and funding, but that is surely down to government's stranglehold on budgets, with various departments trying to stay within those budgets.

Originally Posted by r4dent

Keep up to date Liz. By the end of this year there will be no "Walk in Centres" !

But since when did politicians let facts get in the way of jumping on a good band wagon?

A little research is often a good idea.

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs...t-care-centre/

A name change does not equate to the end of a service, in your link it clearly states that patients can attend by referral from GP, phone service or WALK IN just as now.

Originally Posted by silver fox

A name change does not equate to the end of a service, in your link it clearly states that patients can attend by referral from GP, phone service or WALK IN just as now.

My point is that Liz is jumping on a band wagon and hasn't researched the area.

read the article again it is more than a name change.