How would you explain

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In the Netherlands they held the EU elections on the same day as the UK.
We are told that the results will not be available until Sunday night - but the Netherlands took exit notes at the local polling stations and as early as Friday morning had claimed that the PRO -EU party, the PvdA were in the lead. How is it that the UK will not know until Sunday while the Dutch, who finished voting at 10pm had the results published by 8am on Friday morning? Which is fast by anyone's standards.

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In the Netherlands they held the EU elections on the same day as the UK.
We are told that the results will not be available until Sunday night - but the Netherlands took exit notes at the local polling stations and as early as Friday morning had claimed that the PRO -EU party, the PvdA were in the lead. How is it that the UK will not know until Sunday while the Dutch, who finished voting at 10pm had the results published by 8am on Friday morning? Which is fast by anyone's standards.

The Dutch don't have their election results either. The results you've seen are from the Dutch exit polls. Actual election results for all 28 countries won't be announced until Sunday night.

Unlike the Netherlands, Britain is banned by UK law from publishing exit polls from EU elections.

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The Dutch don't have their election results either. The results you've seen are from the Dutch exit polls. Actual election results for all 28 countries won't be announced until Sunday night.

Unlike the Netherlands, Britain is banned by UK law from publishing exit polls from EU elections.

As far as I can ascertain, the UK is allowed to take exit polls. There is no law against doing so. But according to the Express:
"This is because elections are taking place across Europe until Sunday and results cannot be announced before the last votes on the continent are made."
According to the EU, all laws should be applied equally to all member states - so why can the Netherlands produce the results and no-one else. There are no publications for those who voted on Friday?

I have just found this on "In Brief" I do not know yet how accurate the information is:
Section 66A of the Representation of the People Act 1983 (as amended) makes it a criminal offence ‘to publish, before a poll is closed, any statement about the way in which voters have voted in that election, where this statement is, or might reasonably be taken to be, based on information given by voters after they voted’.
It is also an offence under the Act ‘to publish, before a poll is closed, any forecast – including any estimate – of that election result, if the forecast is based on exit poll information from voters, or which might reasonably be taken to be based on it’.
These laws apply to both parliamentary and local elections, elections to the Welsh Assembly and by-elections. The Act applies to exit polls focusing on voting in a particular constituency or ward and to voting patterns nationally. The publication of exit polls is also prohibited during voting for European Parliamentary elections.

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Don't panic they will be here soon and the only two interesting players are Change uk and the Brexit Party.

Upsets can happen and if change uk get a strong result there will be renewed vigour for the anti-democracy second vote mob.

Their the ones for us democrats to be concerned about.

The extremists are not dead yet they are still chomping at the bit to ride roughshod over democracy.

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Don't panic they will be here soon and the only two interesting players are Change uk and the Brexit Party.

Upsets can happen and if change uk get a strong result there will be renewed vigour for the anti-democracy second vote mob.

Their the ones for us democrats to be concerned about.

The extremists are not dead yet they are still chomping at the bit to ride roughshod over democracy.

Depends on your definition of extremists, for many the extremist label can be firmly attached to Farage, Johnson, Mogg etc.

However the Euro vote is irrelevant as to what actually happens in the British Parliament, no matter how many brexiteers become MEPs they can't force the UK government into anything, unless of course they actually do some work in the European Parliament AND gain support for their views, not much chance of that.

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Don't panic they will be here soon and the only two interesting players are Change uk and the Brexit Party.

Upsets can happen and if change uk get a strong result there will be renewed vigour for the anti-democracy second vote mob.

Their the ones for us democrats to be concerned about.

The extremists are not dead yet they are still chomping at the bit to ride roughshod over democracy.

There is great concern on social media that because the law appears to biased against the British vote in the EU elections, and because there is to be a long delay before results are given - it is believed, almost by 100% of those commenting - that the votes will not be accurately presented.

One poster has pointed out the anomalies with the second vote for the Lisbon Treaty. He is Irish and was present at the time - he states vehemently that no-one had changed their minds to his knowledge - but the vote then went against them.

There are several examples that people have given with regard to UK election anomalies, these also extend to the Scottish Independence vote where several people witnessed the ballot boxes being taken away before being collected officially.

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Depends on your definition of extremists, for many the extremist label can be firmly attached to Farage, Johnson, Mogg etc.

However the Euro vote is irrelevant as to what actually happens in the British Parliament, no matter how many brexiteers become MEPs they can't force the UK government into anything, unless of course they actually do some work in the European Parliament AND gain support for their views, not much chance of that.

Now this is where it gets really odd!

"The Europeanelections are based, we hear, on the Spitzenkandidat.EachEuropean party presents a candidate. The one with the most votes inthe EU sees his/her candidate become president of the EuropeanCommission."

In the Netherlands - the Party which it has said had most votes is the PvdA - the Labour Party. The Leader of this party is Lodewijk Assecher, who also led the party during the 2017 general election. A previous leader of this same party is Franz Timmermans, the First Vice President of the EU. In the 2017 general election - just two years ago - the PvdA party LOST 29 OUT OF ITS 38 SEATS! Under the same leadership and it same policies. (If you remember - The Freedom Party under Geert Wilders came in second place overall.)


Mr. Timmermans, in 2018 - submitted his application to become the President of the EU to replace the outgoing Barnier. It is now claimed - after the result of the exit poles by the dutch media - that Mr. Timmermans has just been given this role.

This is unsubstantiated as the information has only come from one source - The Dutch newspapers. We will have to wait to find out the actual outcome of these elections.

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As far as I can ascertain, the UK is allowed to take exit polls. There is no law against doing so. But according to the Express:
"This is because elections are taking place across Europe until Sunday and results cannot be announced before the last votes on the continent are made."
According to the EU, all laws should be applied equally to all member states - so why can the Netherlands produce the results and no-one else. There are no publications for those who voted on Friday?

I have just found this on "In Brief" I do not know yet how accurate the information is:
Section 66A of the Representation of the People Act 1983 (as amended) makes it a criminal offence ‘to publish, before a poll is closed, any statement about the way in which voters have voted in that election, where this statement is, or might reasonably be taken to be, based on information given by voters after they voted’.
It is also an offence under the Act ‘to publish, before a poll is closed, any forecast – including any estimate – of that election result, if the forecast is based on exit poll information from voters, or which might reasonably be taken to be based on it’.
These laws apply to both parliamentary and local elections, elections to the Welsh Assembly and by-elections. The Act applies to exit polls focusing on voting in a particular constituency or ward and to voting patterns nationally. The publication of exit polls is also prohibited during voting for European Parliamentary elections.

I got my info from the Beeb... link below.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48394911

They say it's because of UK law, and reading your quote from In Brief, it would seem to be true. Not much point in having exit polls if you can't publish them!

I also think it's ridiculous that if countries have finished their count, they can't publish the results. Why should they have to wait until everyone is finished? What do they achieve? That's an EU law, and one that I think should be repealed.

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I got my info from the Beeb... link below.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48394911

They say it's because of UK law, and reading your quote from In Brief, it would seem to be true. Not much point in having exit polls if you can't publish them!

I also think it's ridiculous that if countries have finished their count, they can't publish the results. Why should they have to wait until everyone is finished? What do they achieve? That's an EU law, and one that I think should be repealed.

This is becoming one of the most discussed topics on social media. People are very concerned, even suspicious about the delay in various country's voting in the EU elections, combined with the restrictions on exit polling in the UK, the fact that the conservatives did not even bother to take part and the fact that the results will be announced only on Sunday. An exit poll taken in the UK would have been a back up to the announced results that people feel may be falsely represented. The only one, in the bloc that have already announced their exit polls results, is a pro EU Party. That same party, with the same leader, following the same agenda as previously - lost 29 seats out of 38 in the Dutch general election just two years ago, how is it that it has come highest in these elections if the claim is accurate? Why have no other parties published the results of an exit poll?

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Depends on your definition of extremists, for many the extremist label can be firmly attached to Farage, Johnson, Mogg etc.

However the Euro vote is irrelevant as to what actually happens in the British Parliament, no matter how many brexiteers become MEPs they can't force the UK government into anything, unless of course they actually do some work in the European Parliament AND gain support for their views, not much chance of that.

I can't perform the intellectual gymnastics needed to describe people supporting the outcome of a democratic vote as extremists.


extremist
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nounDEROGATORY
plural noun: extremists
a person who holds extreme political or religious views, especially one who advocates illegal, violent, or other extreme action.

[Alikado]

I got my info from the Beeb... link below.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48394911

They say it's because of UK law, and reading your quote from In Brief, it would seem to be true. Not much point in having exit polls if you can't publish them!

I also think it's ridiculous that if countries have finished their count, they can't publish the results. Why should they have to wait until everyone is finished? What do they achieve? That's an EU law, and one that I think should be repealed.

No countries have finished their count, no results of the Poll can be revealed until the last Polling Station has closed, the long wait in this country is because this country choose to hold the Election on a Thursday. It would make far more sense to hold elections at the weekend.

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No countries have finished their count, no results of the Poll can be revealed until the last Polling Station has closed,

I was under the mistaken impression that the UK and the Netherlands would have counted their votes when the polling stations closed. I now see that the ballot boxes are held under lock and key and not counted until today.

I read there was quite a hue and cry about UK citizens living abroad not getting their postal vote in time. Also EU citizens living in the UK being turned away from polling stations.

the long wait in this country is because this country choose to hold the Election on a Thursday. It would make far more sense to hold elections at the weekend.

Agreed. It would make more sense for all countries to hold the election on the same day.

[local]

The weekend seems a better idea but we have an ingrained weekend avoidance structure in many public services.

[local]

He hasn't shafted us with anything the cleverer MP's saw through it,

sorry the "extremists" who bothered to read it.

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He hasn't shafted us with anything the cleverer MP's saw through it,

sorry the "extremists" who bothered to read it.

Well - we will see after tonight.