Trump or Corbyn?

[Hamble]

The only people who are happy are the anti-democracy extremists in all mainstream parties.

Tolerance of other people's views has definitely deteriorated.

[silver fox]

I am surprised Labour supporters and 1 anarchist are ignorant of the fact some Nazi German company'S used slave labour in Concentration camps in Germany and Poland.

Where or when have I ever denied knowledge or the facts of crimes under the Nazis? I have never denied nor attempted to diminish the persecutions and slaughter of the Jewish people, yet you quite happily throw out anti Labour allegations as if they are facts.

Your opinions and views are yours OK,making totally unfounded accusations and allegations is not OK.

Yet you continue to play the wounded individual and we should all accept very underhanded comments without response.

[seivad]

Of which you are also a Labour supporter?

Can’t you see what you’re doing? If you were genuinely “surprised” that people were unaware of Nazi slave labour, that is what you should have said... “I am surprised that people are ignorant of the fact some Nazi German companies used slave labour in Concentration camps in Germany and Poland.” Instead you chose to give those people a political label; the inference is clear, and quite simply untrue.

You and I and SF, and others, have been involved in enough discussions on this topic for you to be fully aware that we are not ignorant of this fact. We have both condemned Nazi Germany for both this, and the wholesale slaughter of Jewish people, on many occasions. Now you chose to label us as Labour supporters, who, by default, must be anti-Semitic. Can't you understand how offensive this is?

Do you agree with the replies I received?

I can’t respond to that based on the replies as a homogeneous lump, so I'll just address two issues.

Right or left, most people read the media that corresponds with their side. In your case, that’s right wing. In mine it’s left, but I also read some credible right wing publications (not the Daily Mail) to see both sides. No one side is ever 100% correct in its beliefs or assumptions.

You are perfectly entitled to boycott German companies on the basis of their war record. Many moons ago I worked at an engineering company in Southport whose owner (non Jewish) wouldn’t have a single item of German origin in the building. I still recall him having a hissy fit when he saw a Faber pencil in the office. I thought it was crazy, but memories of war were a lot more raw in those days.

I’m in agreement with SF on this topic. I don’t believe that the sins of the fathers should be passed down to further generations. Although I’m not a religious person at all, it’s a passage that’s often repeated in both of our bibles, and I think that it's good advice.

[seivad]

Afterthought: And the irony of the inference that I, as a Labour supporter, must be anti-Semitic doesn't go unnoticed. You might recall that I temporarily banned a right wing member on this thread for questioning the number of Jewish people slaughtered during the Holocaust, and C&Ping text from a Holocaust denier.

You disappoint me, Hamble.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

It is important to remember all the victims of the horrendous Nazi regime.

They all matter as individuals and it should not be a numbers race.

One was too many.

I whole heartedly agree

[Hamble]

Where or when have I ever denied knowledge or the facts of crimes under the Nazis? I have never denied nor attempted to diminish the persecutions and slaughter of the Jewish people, yet you quite happily throw out anti Labour allegations as if they are facts.

Your opinions and views are yours OK,making totally unfounded accusations and allegations is not OK.

Yet you continue to play the wounded individual and we should all accept very underhanded comments without response.

Now who is making allegations?
I am not unique in the decision not to buy German goods in the past from all areas of British society.

You made yourself the victim for personalising my defence of reading articles from the Daily Mail.

[Hamble]

Can’t you see what you’re doing? If you were genuinely “surprised” that people were unaware of Nazi slave labour, that is what you should have said... “I am surprised that people are ignorant of the fact some Nazi German companies used slave labour in Concentration camps in Germany and Poland.” Instead you chose to give those people a political label; the inference is clear, and quite simply untrue.

You and I and SF, and others, have been involved in enough discussions on this topic for you to be fully aware that we are not ignorant of this fact. We have both condemned Nazi Germany for both this, and the wholesale slaughter of Jewish people, on many occasions. Now you chose to label us as Labour supporters, who, by default, must be anti-Semitic. Can't you understand how offensive this is?



I can’t respond to that based on the replies as a homogeneous lump, so I'll just address two issues.

Right or left, most people read the media that corresponds with their side. In your case, that’s right wing. In mine it’s left, but I also read some credible right wing publications (not the Daily Mail) to see both sides. No one side is ever 100% correct in its beliefs or assumptions.

You are perfectly entitled to boycott German companies on the basis of their war record. Many moons ago I worked at an engineering company in Southport whose owner (non Jewish) wouldn’t have a single item of German origin in the building. I still recall him having a hissy fit when he saw a Faber pencil in the office. I thought it was crazy, but memories of war were a lot more raw in those days.

I’m in agreement with SF on this topic. I don’t believe that the sins of the fathers should be passed down to further generations. Although I’m not a religious person at all, it’s a passage that’s often repeated in both of our bibles, and I think that it's good advice.

On this thread I made the comment purely to do with Labour as a manufacturing supporters party as the subject (of my personal decision to buy another choice).

[Hamble]

Afterthought: And the irony of the inference that I, as a Labour supporter, must be anti-Semitic doesn't go unnoticed. You might recall that I temporarily banned a right wing member on this thread for questioning the number of Jewish people slaughtered during the Holocaust, and C&Ping text from a Holocaust denier.

You disappoint me, Hamble.

?
You are going to places I never went.

How do you think I feel now that you are threatening to ban me for something I did not do?

[seivad]

?
You are going to places I never went.

In your mind, perhaps, but as you can see from both SF's and my comments that was what it sounded like.

How do you think I feel now that you are threatening to ban me for something I did not do?

NO! I would never threaten you, or dream of banning you for your comments. You've misunderstood what I said. The irony is that it was a right wing member who was temporarily banned last year for holocaust denial... not a lefty

[Hamble]

In your mind, perhaps, but as you can see from both SF's and my comments that was what it sounded like.


NO! I would never threaten you, or dream of banning you for your comments. You've misunderstood what I said. The irony is that it was a right wing member who was temporarily banned last year for holocaust denial... not a lefty

I re read the thread and feel that Sf was the root of the misunderstanding which all the following posts took at face value.

An apology for him would clear the air.

[silver fox]

I re read the thread and feel that Sf was the root of the misunderstanding which all the following posts took at face value.

An apology for him would clear the air.

Oh dear, now it's my fault that you posted comments seen as offensive, OK if it makes you happy in your closeted world, blame me, frankly couldn't care less, the process of this particular dispute is quite clear in the thread all your attempts to divert aren't working, if you have anything of note to add, I will reply, if not, consider the conversation closed.

[seivad]

I re read the thread and feel that Sf was the root of the misunderstanding which all the following posts took at face value.

An apology for him would clear the air.

For or from? I hope it's not the latter.

[Hamble]

Oh dear, now it's my fault that you posted comments seen as offensive, OK if it makes you happy in your closeted world, blame me, frankly couldn't care less, the process of this particular dispute is quite clear in the thread all your attempts to divert aren't working, if you have anything of note to add, I will reply, if not, consider the conversation closed.

You have wrongly accused me of offensive posts.

If you knew the history of the company's I mentioned your replies to me
were callous to say the least.



"I am surprised Labour supporters and 1 anarchist are ignorant of the fact some Nazi German company'S used slave labour in Concentration camps in Germany and Poland."

[Hamble]

For or from? I hope it's not the latter.

From.

I have been accused of something I did not do.

[Hamble]

In your mind, perhaps, but as you can see from both SF's and my comments that was what it sounded like.

That does not help put right what you have given me which is burning injustice.

I harboured none of the sentiments SF or you accused me of.
My replies were a follow on conversation against the accusation of MR BS that I had 'Nazi sympathy's for reading the 'Daily heil'.

I did not deserve the barrage of abuse from either of you.

Just to make it clear my comment to you "You are also a Labour Supporter' referred to you backing up SF and other Labour poster accusations on that thread.
I thought I pointed it out politely.It seems you took it on personally
by your replies and it also deepened the injustice.

You are entitled to your bias(on backing up Labour opinion) and I do understand SF's and your sensitivities on the the subject but as I said
burning injustice just does not go away.