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    No Deal Brexit? bring it on!

    Brexit is now being driven by the extreme right wing in the Conservative Party. That worries me. I’m worried about the Labour party too, the extreme left want Brexit to happen as well and they are controlling Labour Party policy at the moment. The left of the Labour party want out of the EU as they see it as a Capitalist Club. The Conservative right wing want out because they see it as not enough of a Capitalist Club! So both major parties want Brexit but for opposite reasons!
    No Deal exit from the EU is definitely a dangerous position for the UK and Northern Ireland, we would be instantly cut off from not only trade in all its forms, but our joint access to the European Security Database and which is a big one, and which has helped our security services to prevent at least 47 terrorist attacks in the UK last year (not publicly splashed in the media for obvious reasons, but you can get the info online).
    No Deal means food shortages and prices increases over a huge range of products and services, and shortages of medicines etc. Yes, there has been (very expensive) stockpiling in preparation for a No Deal Brexit, but how long will these stocks last in the UK with a population of 66 million people.
    No problem you might think, we just revert to WTO rules. However, its not quite as straightforward as that; deals have to be made and tariffs set. Tariffs can be objected to and deals have to be negotiated – they don’t happen overnight, they take time, sometimes a very looong time. Oh, and there’s the small question of safety and quality standards in any new deals. Within the EU we all benefit from safe and good quality products and services to a high standard which the UK in the EU have helped to formulate, a Conservative led UK suddenly outside of the EU - could they be trusted to do “safe” deals in trade in a desperate situation? And how long would that take to make deals and with who? We do five times more trade in the EU than we do with our Commonwealth countries, so they’re no use to us.
    What about fuel stocks, petrol and diesel for your car, van, truck, buses etc. Oh and your Satnav, that connects to both the American and European satellites, so we lose the European ones and the American satellites don’t offer the UK and NI full cover.
    We also collaborate with other EU countries; in medicine, engineering and the space program and all the research involved in that to the benefit of all; that’s stops overnight.
    Our NHS is already losing valuable professionals: Doctors, Consultants and other medical professionals who are returning to their own countries due to our position on the EU, the NHS overall is short of 170,000 nurses for example, replacements take years to train up, that’s if you can get the right people who want to work in the NHS. Not to mention casual farm labourers/pickers, who wants to do that.
    The other big risk to our NHS outside of the EU is that of American Medical Companies; these are predatory businesses who work for hard profit, they would want to cherry pick-off bits of the NHS – the potentially profitable bits, ultimately this leads to an insurance-based health service that you must pay for and can be prohibitively expensive. Some Gov ministers (and Mr Farage I believe) have already alluded to this in the past as being desirable way to “fix” the NHS, so they would be sympathetic to the idea.
    Most of our fresh food: fruit and veg comes from the EU countries. Our own farmers enjoy generous subsidies from the EU to help with our own food production. That stops overnight.
    Wales, the poorest country in the UK benefits from large EU subsidies. These would stop.
    Our financial services, banks and insurance companies can’t trade across the EU anymore, what will that mean for us?
    Our Universities have beneficial relationships with the Universities in Europe, where our students can study at any European University through the ERASMUS scheme and with European grants – not loans.
    So this is the immediate risk: Food shortages, prices of just about everything going up rapidly, shortages of medicines, fuel prices increases, a health service potentially along America lines – a two tier system, research and development across a range of areas stopped, University students having to pay to study in Europe.
    Since becoming a member of the EU, the UK has grown to become the third richest country in the EU and the fifth in the world! The EU is our nearest and biggest trading partner and through which we trade with the rest of the world ensuring good, safe standards, and because of no tariffs – lower prices.
    And don’t blame the EU for the ten years plus of Austerity we have suffered, this is solely down to George Osborne and the Conservative government of the time. Call me cynical but this became an excuse to introduce privatisation of public services through the back door and which has proved to be an expensive disaster and which hoovers up taxpayers money (yours and mine) into private hands.
    It will take decades to get back to the wealth status we currently enjoy within the EU if we leave, and with a No Deal Brexit exit from the EU, we will all suffer, and for a long time.
    Scaremongering? Yes, and unashamedly so. No deal is as good as the one we have now in the EU as we have uniquely special and favourable terms as a member state, tailored specifically to the UK.
    So, No Deal Brexit? bring it on - and we’re all screwed!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboi View Post
    Brexit is now being driven by the extreme right wing in the Conservative Party. That worries me. I’m worried about the Labour party too, the extreme left want Brexit to happen as well and they are controlling Labour Party policy at the moment. The left of the Labour party want out of the EU as they see it as a Capitalist Club. The Conservative right wing want out because they see it as not enough of a Capitalist Club! So both major parties want Brexit but for opposite reasons!
    No Deal exit from the EU is definitely a dangerous position for the UK and Northern Ireland, we would be instantly cut off from not only trade in all its forms, but our joint access to the European Security Database and which is a big one, and which has helped our security services to prevent at least 47 terrorist attacks in the UK last year (not publicly splashed in the media for obvious reasons, but you can get the info online).
    No Deal means food shortages and prices increases over a huge range of products and services, and shortages of medicines etc. Yes, there has been (very expensive) stockpiling in preparation for a No Deal Brexit, but how long will these stocks last in the UK with a population of 66 million people.
    No problem you might think, we just revert to WTO rules. However, its not quite as straightforward as that; deals have to be made and tariffs set. Tariffs can be objected to and deals have to be negotiated – they don’t happen overnight, they take time, sometimes a very looong time. Oh, and there’s the small question of safety and quality standards in any new deals. Within the EU we all benefit from safe and good quality products and services to a high standard which the UK in the EU have helped to formulate, a Conservative led UK suddenly outside of the EU - could they be trusted to do “safe” deals in trade in a desperate situation? And how long would that take to make deals and with who? We do five times more trade in the EU than we do with our Commonwealth countries, so they’re no use to us.
    What about fuel stocks, petrol and diesel for your car, van, truck, buses etc. Oh and your Satnav, that connects to both the American and European satellites, so we lose the European ones and the American satellites don’t offer the UK and NI full cover.
    We also collaborate with other EU countries; in medicine, engineering and the space program and all the research involved in that to the benefit of all; that’s stops overnight.
    Our NHS is already losing valuable professionals: Doctors, Consultants and other medical professionals who are returning to their own countries due to our position on the EU, the NHS overall is short of 170,000 nurses for example, replacements take years to train up, that’s if you can get the right people who want to work in the NHS. Not to mention casual farm labourers/pickers, who wants to do that.
    The other big risk to our NHS outside of the EU is that of American Medical Companies; these are predatory businesses who work for hard profit, they would want to cherry pick-off bits of the NHS – the potentially profitable bits, ultimately this leads to an insurance-based health service that you must pay for and can be prohibitively expensive. Some Gov ministers (and Mr Farage I believe) have already alluded to this in the past as being desirable way to “fix” the NHS, so they would be sympathetic to the idea.
    Most of our fresh food: fruit and veg comes from the EU countries. Our own farmers enjoy generous subsidies from the EU to help with our own food production. That stops overnight.
    Wales, the poorest country in the UK benefits from large EU subsidies. These would stop.
    Our financial services, banks and insurance companies can’t trade across the EU anymore, what will that mean for us?
    Our Universities have beneficial relationships with the Universities in Europe, where our students can study at any European University through the ERASMUS scheme and with European grants – not loans.
    So this is the immediate risk: Food shortages, prices of just about everything going up rapidly, shortages of medicines, fuel prices increases, a health service potentially along America lines – a two tier system, research and development across a range of areas stopped, University students having to pay to study in Europe.
    Since becoming a member of the EU, the UK has grown to become the third richest country in the EU and the fifth in the world! The EU is our nearest and biggest trading partner and through which we trade with the rest of the world ensuring good, safe standards, and because of no tariffs – lower prices.
    And don’t blame the EU for the ten years plus of Austerity we have suffered, this is solely down to George Osborne and the Conservative government of the time. Call me cynical but this became an excuse to introduce privatisation of public services through the back door and which has proved to be an expensive disaster and which hoovers up taxpayers money (yours and mine) into private hands.
    It will take decades to get back to the wealth status we currently enjoy within the EU if we leave, and with a No Deal Brexit exit from the EU, we will all suffer, and for a long time.
    Scaremongering? Yes, and unashamedly so. No deal is as good as the one we have now in the EU as we have uniquely special and favourable terms as a member state, tailored specifically to the UK.
    So, No Deal Brexit? bring it on - and we’re all screwed!


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    Shortages of medicines you say?
    Where did you get that one from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Shortages of medicines you say?
    Where did you get that one from?
    Is that your only objection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    Is that your only objection?
    Maybe Mr H uses viagra, just a thought.

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    jonboi

    You will atract the ire of the Brexiteers in all forms, sadly I like you am feeling that, (particularly if we get Johnson as PM) we will be leaving the EU in the same way that drunks are kicked out of pubs at closing time, the outcome will be interesting, but I feel not very pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    Is that your only objection?
    The title is misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboi View Post
    Brexit is now being driven by the extreme right wing in the Conservative Party. That worries me. I’m worried about the Labour party too, the extreme left want Brexit to happen as well and they are controlling Labour Party policy at the moment. The left of the Labour party want out of the EU as they see it as a Capitalist Club. The Conservative right wing want out because they see it as not enough of a Capitalist Club! So both major parties want Brexit but for opposite reasons!
    No Deal exit from the EU is definitely a dangerous position for the UK and Northern Ireland, we would be instantly cut off from not only trade in all its forms, but our joint access to the European Security Database and which is a big one, and which has helped our security services to prevent at least 47 terrorist attacks in the UK last year (not publicly splashed in the media for obvious reasons, but you can get the info online).
    No Deal means food shortages and prices increases over a huge range of products and services, and shortages of medicines etc. Yes, there has been (very expensive) stockpiling in preparation for a No Deal Brexit, but how long will these stocks last in the UK with a population of 66 million people.
    No problem you might think, we just revert to WTO rules. However, its not quite as straightforward as that; deals have to be made and tariffs set. Tariffs can be objected to and deals have to be negotiated – they don’t happen overnight, they take time, sometimes a very looong time. Oh, and there’s the small question of safety and quality standards in any new deals. Within the EU we all benefit from safe and good quality products and services to a high standard which the UK in the EU have helped to formulate, a Conservative led UK suddenly outside of the EU - could they be trusted to do “safe” deals in trade in a desperate situation? And how long would that take to make deals and with who? We do five times more trade in the EU than we do with our Commonwealth countries, so they’re no use to us.
    What about fuel stocks, petrol and diesel for your car, van, truck, buses etc. Oh and your Satnav, that connects to both the American and European satellites, so we lose the European ones and the American satellites don’t offer the UK and NI full cover.
    We also collaborate with other EU countries; in medicine, engineering and the space program and all the research involved in that to the benefit of all; that’s stops overnight.
    Our NHS is already losing valuable professionals: Doctors, Consultants and other medical professionals who are returning to their own countries due to our position on the EU, the NHS overall is short of 170,000 nurses for example, replacements take years to train up, that’s if you can get the right people who want to work in the NHS. Not to mention casual farm labourers/pickers, who wants to do that.
    The other big risk to our NHS outside of the EU is that of American Medical Companies; these are predatory businesses who work for hard profit, they would want to cherry pick-off bits of the NHS – the potentially profitable bits, ultimately this leads to an insurance-based health service that you must pay for and can be prohibitively expensive. Some Gov ministers (and Mr Farage I believe) have already alluded to this in the past as being desirable way to “fix” the NHS, so they would be sympathetic to the idea.
    Most of our fresh food: fruit and veg comes from the EU countries. Our own farmers enjoy generous subsidies from the EU to help with our own food production. That stops overnight.
    Wales, the poorest country in the UK benefits from large EU subsidies. These would stop.
    Our financial services, banks and insurance companies can’t trade across the EU anymore, what will that mean for us?
    Our Universities have beneficial relationships with the Universities in Europe, where our students can study at any European University through the ERASMUS scheme and with European grants – not loans.
    So this is the immediate risk: Food shortages, prices of just about everything going up rapidly, shortages of medicines, fuel prices increases, a health service potentially along America lines – a two tier system, research and development across a range of areas stopped, University students having to pay to study in Europe.
    Since becoming a member of the EU, the UK has grown to become the third richest country in the EU and the fifth in the world! The EU is our nearest and biggest trading partner and through which we trade with the rest of the world ensuring good, safe standards, and because of no tariffs – lower prices.
    And don’t blame the EU for the ten years plus of Austerity we have suffered, this is solely down to George Osborne and the Conservative government of the time. Call me cynical but this became an excuse to introduce privatisation of public services through the back door and which has proved to be an expensive disaster and which hoovers up taxpayers money (yours and mine) into private hands.
    It will take decades to get back to the wealth status we currently enjoy within the EU if we leave, and with a No Deal Brexit exit from the EU, we will all suffer, and for a long time.
    Scaremongering? Yes, and unashamedly so. No deal is as good as the one we have now in the EU as we have uniquely special and favourable terms as a member state, tailored specifically to the UK.
    So, No Deal Brexit? bring it on - and we’re all screwed!


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    I have responded to a similar post of yours not so long back with regard to Brexit - you made many spurious claims then, as you are now. Look, Sunshine - the UK is leaving the EU with no deal - get used to it! There is no time to come up with any deal that will satisfy everyone and the wheels are already in motion for leaving without a deal.

    Tell you what - In a few years down the line, when the EU is prospering and the UK is completely bankrupt, you can stand at the front of the line, starving and broke in your raggedy clothes to vote for membership back into the EU. OK? How does that sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post

    Tell you what - In a few years down the line, when the EU is prospering and the UK is completely bankrupt, you can stand at the front of the line, starving and broke in your raggedy clothes to vote for membership back into the EU. OK? How does that sound?
    You see that is precisely what we don't want, glad you believe that to be an OK scenario.

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    Smart@ss BoJo

    BoJo encouraged us all to vote for Brexit. He even promised us 350 million reasons to do so. Just three years on, it's all gone pear-shaped (surprise, surprise) and he's saying his party will be 'annihilated' because of Brexit......

    Now, according to BoJo, there's a better deal to be had from the EU....But as we all know, there's no chance of that happening. Which will leave him (after becoming PM) slowly sinking at the helm of a self-destructed 'no deal' UK.


    STOP BREXIT!
    On Yer Bike!

    www.20splentyforus.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    he's saying his party will be 'annihilated' because of Brexit......
    STOP BREXIT!
    One can only hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    You see that is precisely what we don't want, glad you believe that to be an OK scenario.

    I can say it because it will never happen! The EU is unstable. Too many hasty ill thought out policies that have given rise to dubious activities. Think about the scenario - the countries that the EU has recently been approaching for a trade agreement, each belong to their own trading union, each having their own trading arrangements. Obviously these countries want to expand their exports but are not happy to accept a large volume of imports. To attract trade the EU has to undercut these countries own union tariffs on imports and a low tariff on exports. Each EU member will have a negative balance of payments in addition to a greater number of immigrant labour.

    "According to the IMF trade deficits can cause a balance of payments problem, which can affect foreign exchange shortages and hurt countries.On the other hand, Joseph Stiglitz points out that countries running surpluses exert a "negative externality" on trading partners, and pose a threat to global prosperity, far more than those in deficit.Ben Bernanke argues that "persistent imbalances within the euro zone are... unhealthy, as they lead to financial imbalances as well as to unbalanced growth. The fact that Germany is selling so much more than it is buying redirects demand from its neighbors (as well as from other countries around the world), reducing output and employment outside Germany."

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    Another ill thought attempt to re-invigorate project fear

    lets transfer the same short thinking remoaner style exercise to moving house;


    You will have no electricity or gas.

    Your post won't arrive.

    You will have no friends.

    It will cost money

    The place will need loads of work.

    You won't be able to find anything.

    The removal men will break something.

    It will cost you money.

    The children will be doomed.


    Lets stay indoors batten down the hatches and peer through our letter boxes and keep the children locked up.

    I think we could rename the remoaners the new Amish


    Thank goodness remoaners are a relatively new construct or we would still be in caves.

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    Much political energy ( and time) is being expended by those promoting a ‘No Deal’ Brexit and those determined to prevent such an outcome.

    However , I wonder if ‘No Deal’ really is the default position. I propose a different scenario.

    I suggest the default position is actually the ‘Deal ’ i.e. the 500 odd page Treaty our PM duly signed on behalf of the UK government and was co-signed by all other EU heads of government. The fact that she didn’t then get it ratified by the UK parliament may be deemed to be irrelevant in the eyes of other EU nations - its a fully agreed signed Treaty and the newly elected EU parliament could formally vote to incorporate it into EU law at the earliest opportunity shortly after the current delayed ‘Implementation’ date also agreed by all parties - 31st October.

    Therefore under EU legislation , a so-called ‘No Deal’ Brexit will have no legal basis and the UK will be obliged to adopt all the details of the Treaty ( including the £39M payment , Irish Backstop and EU Citizens rights) . Failure to comply with the Treaty will incur legal action taken by the EU against the UK and we risk eventually having to pay considerably more than the £39M specified in the Treaty.

    Fortunately there is a way out of this most unfortunate turn of events. A Peoples Vote and Revocation of Article 50.
    Whatever it is - I blame Brexit!

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    God I hope Boris gets in. At least then we get to blame the right Prime minister.

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    There isn't any deal that can get through parliament, no majority for anything. The only way we can honour the referendum is to leave by default with No Deal on 31 October.

    We just need a leader who is strong enough to take us past midnight and onto 1st November without any extensions.

    I believe BoJo is that man.

    No amount of shouting "We demand a People's Vote" or revoking article 50 will get you anywhere. Demand as much as you like, but unless parliament agrees and votes on it, you're not getting anything.

    If they can't get a majority on any deal, and the recent attempt to hijack the government's work with an opposition day motion all failed.

    What part of "Leave" do you not understand!

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