No Deal Brexit? bring it on!

[local]

Much political energy ( and time) is being expended by those promoting a ‘No Deal’ Brexit and those determined to prevent such an outcome.

However , I wonder if ‘No Deal’ really is the default position. I propose a different scenario.

I suggest the default position is actually the ‘Deal ’ i.e. the 500 odd page Treaty our PM duly signed on behalf of the UK government and was co-signed by all other EU heads of government. The fact that she didn’t then get it ratified by the UK parliament may be deemed to be irrelevant in the eyes of other EU nations - its a fully agreed signed Treaty and the newly elected EU parliament could formally vote to incorporate it into EU law at the earliest opportunity shortly after the current delayed ‘Implementation’ date also agreed by all parties - 31st October.

Therefore under EU legislation , a so-called ‘No Deal’ Brexit will have no legal basis and the UK will be obliged to adopt all the details of the Treaty ( including the £39M payment , Irish Backstop and EU Citizens rights) . Failure to comply with the Treaty will incur legal action taken by the EU against the UK and we risk eventually having to pay considerably more than the £39M specified in the Treaty.

Fortunately there is a way out of this most unfortunate turn of events. A Peoples Vote and Revocation of Article 50.

Its a recipe for anarchy you extremists are always trying to stir up trouble.

Why don't you go and live in Russia under Putin I'm sure he would think like you.

[The PNP]

Its a recipe for anarchy you extremists are always trying to stir up trouble.

Don't see how.

Remainers were naturally disappointed, but didn't consider resorting to 'anarchy' when they lost the original referendum. If the Confirmatory/Peoples Vote went the other way, which it very likely would, I'm sure Leavers would take it in the same spirit.....Are you suggesting that Leavers are an unruly lot?


STOP BREXIT!

[libraryguy]

Don't see how.

Remainers were naturally disappointed, but didn't consider resorting to 'anarchy' when they lost the original referendum. If the Confirmatory/Peoples Vote went the other way, which it very likely would, I'm sure Leavers would take it in the same spirit.....Are you suggesting that Leavers are an unruly lot?


STOP BREXIT!

If the outcome of the referendum had a Remain win, then we would have accepted it and moved on. The result of the 2016 referendum has NOT been enacted yet, and if we have another vote I'm damn sure us Leavers would start protesting as our democratic result had been ignored.

You just don't get it, do you? You didn't like the result cos you lost and now you're trying every trick and argument to get it overturned.

It's the Remainers who are causing all the problems. If they'd accepted the result and all worked together to make the best of it, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now!

All Remainers have ever wanted to do was to overturn the result! And you wonder why we're angry?

There ISN'T going to be a People's Vote - so you can forget that and if there was it would be worded and weighted for a Remain win. Like Vince Cable wants... You would only be able to vote for May's Deal or Remain, so that means we Remain without a voice at the table or Remain as before. And he thinks the electorate are going to agree to that? He needs to pack up and go to the nursing home!

[Alikado]

Another ill thought attempt to re-invigorate project fear

lets transfer the same short thinking remoaner style exercise to moving house;


You will have no electricity or gas.

Your post won't arrive.

You will have no friends.

It will cost money

The place will need loads of work.

You won't be able to find anything.

The removal men will break something.

It will cost you money.

The children will be doomed.


Lets stay indoors batten down the hatches and peer through our letter boxes and keep the children locked up.

I think we could rename the remoaners the new Amish


Thank goodness remoaners are a relatively new construct or we would still be in caves.

The Brexteers are the new Amish, wanting to become insular and reject all foreigners.

[The PNP]

A) If the outcome of the referendum had a Remain win, then we would have accepted it and moved on.

B) The result of the 2016 referendum has NOT been enacted yet, and if we have another vote I'm damn sure us Leavers would start protesting as our democratic result had been ignored.

C) It's the Remainers who are causing all the problems. If they'd accepted the result and all worked together to make the best of it, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now!

A) Perhaps, but the likes of Farage would have begun agitating for another referendum down the line - seem to recall that he was quoted as saying so.

B) But the result was acted on....The UK duly triggered Article 50 as required, and completed the lengthy negotiations for our deal, that's been officially signed-off by the EU. All we have to do now is ask the people to ratify it - or even reject it. What could be more straightforward?

C) That's silly logic. It was by voting to leave, that the UK opened the huge can of worms that is Brexit....Blame for Brexit therefore lies squarely with the Leave camp!

N.B. If we do end up leaving, the UK will almost certainly live to regret doing so. It will be next to impossible to blame Remainers for the almighty mess we may well find ourselves in - but no doubt some will try!


STOP BREXIT!

[Mr B S Sniffer]

B) All we have to do now is ask the people to ratify it - or even reject it. What could be more straightforward?
STOP BREXIT!

That was never mentioned, it was a simple question

"should the UK remain a member of the European union or leave the European union?"

C) "That's silly logic. It was by voting to leave

, that the UK opened the huge can of worms that is Brexit....Blame for Brexit therefore lies squarely with the Leave camp!

"

You just can't dismiss the wishes of 17.4 million people

The countries in a mess for a number of reasons, bankers for instance, incompetent self serving governments of all sides & an intransigent EU for starters.

Sad part about all of this is ordinary people will bare the burden of it all as usual.

[seivad]

B) But the result was acted on....The UK duly triggered Article 50 as required, and completed the lengthy negotiations for our deal, that's been officially signed-off by the EU. All we have to do now is ask the people to ratify it - or even reject it. What could be more straightforward?

If the referendum had stated that once the terms of withdrawal were known, a second referendum would be put before the people, then yes, it would have been straightforward. It didn't, therefore it's not straightforward at all. There is no mandate to hold a second referendum.

Parliament is supposed to represent the people, and look how well ratification of the withdrawal deal has gone for them. If it's not straightforward for MPs, what makes you think it would be for the average Joe? Parliament is split, the country is split, and I can't see that changing any time soon. I know you think that Remain would win in a second referendum, but you can't possibly forecast that as a certainty.

C) That's silly logic. It was by voting to leave, that the UK opened the huge can of worms that is Brexit....Blame for Brexit therefore lies squarely with the Leave camp!

No, blame for Brexit lies squarely on the shoulders of David Cameron... the man who couldn't read the mood of the people and assumed that Remain would win. People were entitled to vote for the side they believed would be best for the country.

[local]

The Brexteers are the new Amish, wanting to become insular and reject all foreigners.

Far from it we want the whole world, the little people want their xenophobic racist EU with no brown people.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

If the referendum had stated that once the terms of withdrawal were known, a second referendum would be put before the people, then yes, it would have been straightforward. It didn't, therefore it's not straightforward at all. There is no mandate to hold a second referendum.

Parliament is supposed to represent the people, and look how well ratification of the withdrawal deal has gone for them. If it's not straightforward for MPs, what makes you think it would be for the average Joe? Parliament is split, the country is split, and I can't see that changing any time soon. I know you think that Remain would win in a second referendum, but you can't possibly forecast that as a certainty.

No, blame for Brexit lies squarely on the shoulders of David Cameron... the man who couldn't read the mood of the people and assumed that Remain would win. People were entitled to vote for the side they believed would be best for the country.

Cameron couldn't have cared less about "the people", Europe has been a festering sore for over 40 years within the conservative party...……………………...and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

[libraryguy]

A) Perhaps, but the likes of Farage would have begun agitating for another referendum down the line - seem to recall that he was quoted as saying so.

B) But the result was acted on....The UK duly triggered Article 50 as required, and completed the lengthy negotiations for our deal, that's been officially signed-off by the EU. All we have to do now is ask the people to ratify it - or even reject it. What could be more straightforward?

C) That's silly logic. It was by voting to leave, that the UK opened the huge can of worms that is Brexit....Blame for Brexit therefore lies squarely with the Leave camp!

N.B. If we do end up leaving, the UK will almost certainly live to regret doing so. It will be next to impossible to blame Remainers for the almighty mess we may well find ourselves in - but no doubt some will try!


STOP BREXIT!

A) If Farage had "agitated" for another vote then that's up to him. I wouldn't have supported him. It's the Remainers who can't accept the result who are agitating for another vote.

B) The result HASN'T been acted upon. Parliament voted by a substantial majority to trigger Article 50 to begin the process of us Leaving. A majority of the electorate voted to Leave - and if it hasn't escaped you notice - we actually haven't left yet - so no the result of the referendum hasn't been completed.

There never was any mention of a vote to ratify the outcome. We voted to Leave.

C) It's the Remainer MPs who won't accept the result that has us in this mess.

WHEN we end up Leaving without a deal, as that's the only way it's going to happen, unless Boris can go and whack some European leaders around the head with a cricket bat (I'm being metaphorical), I don't see him being able to renegotiate a deal. However, I hope he can as that would be preferable, but I don't see it.

Canada +++ would be excellent.

And as for David Cameron... he promised the referendum presuming he would not win the 2015 election with an overall majority. Had there been a further coalition with the LibDems they would have stopped him calling the referendum. When he did win an overall majority he found himself in the do-do so he had to make good on his promises.

You listen to too much Project Fear and happily propagate it. What happened to the 100,000 of jobs lost, house prices plummeting, a cost of £4000 to every household each year etc., just on a result of voting to leave!!!!???? It DIDN'T happen!!

Just like the Millenium Bug didn't happen!

[seivad]

Cameron couldn't have cared less about "the people", Europe has been a festering sore for over 40 years within the conservative party...……………………...and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

Show me a Tory that ever cared about the people, apart from their own crowd of course.

[Nick2]

Show me a Tory that ever cared about the people, apart from their own crowd of course.

Winston Churchill ??

[local]

Show me a Tory that ever cared about the people, apart from their own crowd of course.

Its a strange generalisation, Tories don't care about "the people".


Its a vacuous statement.

[Squeeezebox]

Its a recipe for anarchy you extremists are always trying to stir up trouble.

Why don't you go and live in Russia under Putin I'm sure he would think like you.

First time i’ve ever been described as an extremist or a Putin supporter so that’s quite an achievement I guess.

Your statement implies that those like me who favour maintaining the status quo are ‘extremists’ whereas those ( like you?) who would prefer to jump off a cliff into the unknown are ‘moderates’ perhaps?

Your reference to Putin puzzles me. Never met the man but I wouldn’t think he supports anarchy - those who step out of his particular line seem to encounter Novichok at some point.

Putin’s opinion of Brexit ? It is presumed he is a avid supporter as it wouls inevitably weaken the EU and increase the vulnerability of the ex-Soviet EU member states on Russia’s borders to his expansionist ambitions.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Winston Churchill ??

“I am an English Liberal. I hate the Tory Party, their men, their words and their methods.” So said Winston Churchill in 1903."

I think he was more of a Liberal maverick.