Corbyn

[Toodles McGinty]

Despots love people like you who deflect valid criticism away from them.

Is there something wrong with your eyes, or your comprehension of words?

I'll repeat:

" I've no time for medieval fundamentalist regimes. None at all. They're all horrendous."

and

"It isn't a reasonable country. It's a country run by Islamic fundamentalist zealots"

Do you need that in even larger print? Or are you of the 'Said' persuasion, who simply refuses to acknowledge anyone's words?

I've criticised Iran. I've criticised Johnson. The two are separate.

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Is there something wrong with your eyes, or your comprehension of words?

I'll repeat:

" I've no time for medieval fundamentalist regimes. None at all. They're all horrendous."

and

"It isn't a reasonable country. It's a country run by Islamic fundamentalist zealots"

Do you need that in even larger print? Or are you of the 'Said' persuasion, who simply refuses to acknowledge anyone's words?

I've criticised Iran. I've criticised Johnson. The two are separate.

No I clearly read that you are an apologist for despot regimes and are trying to blame Boris Johnson for Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's incarceration.

Your obsession with Conservative bashing clouds your judgement.



I forgot to mention that at the time of Boris Johnsons comments Nazanin was already in Jail she was arrested on the 3 April 2016 and received 5 years on charges that remain secret.

Iran's supreme court upheld the five-year prison sentence, giving her no more legal options to overturn it.

On the 1st November 2017 Johnson made his comments.

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Don't get me wrong, I've no time for medieval fundamentalist regimes. None at all. They're all horrendous. But Israel and the Saudis have wanted to poke this sleeping bear for a long time. Of the major players in the Iran Nuclear Deal, only Israel objected. The Deal kept Iran reasonably civil as long as the terms were kept. I'm not saying Trump is determined to undo everything his predecessor achieved, but let's say he wouldn't have taken much persuading. Especially if a regime change gives them access to the third biggest oil reserves in the world. So I still say it is all about oil. Not human rights, or keeping the peace. Just oil.

Toodles, I wish,believe me, that it was all so simple as you seem to think.
The whole of the Middle East is in a dire dire dire situation. You have Iranian military , supported by the Russian know how and their army, sitting in Syria and Southern Lebanon ...Hizbollah have accumulated millions of money in their coffers ...mostly running the drug mafia in Venezuela and Columbia ...

Of course Israel is not going to sit quietly and let this build up continue on their borders without complaining to the USA,who can and will obviously give backing to the Israelis ..

Obama was never a friend of Israel, and neither at that time trusted each other.

Over the years, I have watched the Middle East deteriorate ...you say about it being about oil. No, in my opinion you are wrong.
Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are not controlled by the US... oil ???

Venezuela is not controlled by the US. All oil producing countries ...
Canada and the US have their own supply's ...

It's about military supplies,building the country again. Everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon.

Iran backing Yemen against Saudi Arabia, hardly hear a thing about that on the news. People, for Gods sake hundreds of people are dying daily of starvation ..
Venezuela same thing.

[shippy]

Careful there will be a demand for an apology coming shortly.

SF that's not your usual style. Not nice ...

[silver fox]

SF that's not your usual style. Not nice ...

No it isn't, but at the time rather annoyed shall we say.

[Toodles McGinty]

Toodles, I wish,believe me, that it was all so simple as you seem to think.
The whole of the Middle East is in a dire dire dire situation. You have Iranian military , supported by the Russian know how and their army, sitting in Syria and Southern Lebanon ...Hizbollah have accumulated millions of money in their coffers ...mostly running the drug mafia in Venezuela and Columbia ...

Of course Israel is not going to sit quietly and let this build up continue on their borders without complaining to the USA,who can and will obviously give backing to the Israelis ..

Obama was never a friend of Israel, and neither at that time trusted each other.

Over the years, I have watched the Middle East deteriorate ...you say about it being about oil. No, in my opinion you are wrong.
Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are not controlled by the US... oil ???

Venezuela is not controlled by the US. All oil producing countries ...
Canada and the US have their own supply's ...

It's about military supplies,building the country again. Everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon.

Iran backing Yemen against Saudi Arabia, hardly hear a thing about that on the news. People, for Gods sake hundreds of people are dying daily of starvation ..
Venezuela same thing.

I agree it's also about gaining tactical advantages, particularly between the USA and Russia.

Afghanistan has been a cockpit for them for decades, since Russia invaded and the USA supported the mujaheddin. Which backfired spectacularly when that gave rise to the Taliban.

I'd say US / Libya relations initially became strained when Gaddafi kicked the US oil companies out of the country. So while the US might have eventually designated it as a hotbed of terrorism, which it eventually became, the origins go back to oil.

Again with Iraq, their relations became strained during the Cold War, when the dreaded commies (as they saw it) took over. And once again, Iraq restricted western oil exports.

So yes, it isn't all about oil, but it is a big part of it. The US rarely takes military action unless it's a distinct commercial or tactical advantage to them. They have recently considered action in Venezuela. Not out of concern for the citizens.

I appreciate the situation in the Middle East is far more complex than that. Mainly through western meddling in the first place.

[Toodles McGinty]

No I clearly read that you are an apologist for despot regimes and are trying to blame Boris Johnson for Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's incarceration.

Your obsession with Conservative bashing clouds your judgement.



I forgot to mention that at the time of Boris Johnsons comments Nazanin was already in Jail she was arrested on the 3 April 2016 and received 5 years on charges that remain secret.

Iran's supreme court upheld the five-year prison sentence, giving her no more legal options to overturn it.

On the 1st November 2017 Johnson made his comments.

Where have I stated that Johnson is responsible for Ratcliffe's incarceration? Can you point out a post where I have written that?

Johnson was in a position to intervene, particularly while overseeing the situation with our long standing debt to Iran. His words were ill-judged and directly contradicted her legal team's defence. Every media outlet has questioned this. Even as I type this, Victoria Derbyshire on the BBC is questioning his suitability for the top job because of his comments regarding this situation, when he was Foreign Secretary. Maitlis did the same during the leadership debate. I haven't just fabricated this off the top of my head, it is a point that has been raised over and over.

Nothing I have written about Johnson is merely my opinion. I've provided links. It isn't simply criticism. They are actual incidents. His lies. His racism. His unsuitability to hold high office. He wasn't a good mayor. He was appalling as Foreign Secretary. All facts.

I don't have an obsession with Conservative bashing. I question this government and their appalling record. Which as a citizen of this country, I have every right to do. Again, backed up with facts. It is my democratic right to question the powers that be. I would, and have, criticised other political parties too, but as they aren't in power, it seems irrelevant. I certainly question the labour party and its leadership. Again, as a party member and a voter, that is my right.

Once more, if you can point out a post where I've defended the Iranian regime, I'd accept your criticism. But I rather think it's got more to do with our diametrically opposed views on Brexit than the situation with Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. Sadly typical of the country as a whole.

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Its nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit ;


But no, the buffoon wades in and makes things worse.



No he didn't he is not in any way responsible for her incarceration or length of it, Iran alone is.


Blaming Boris Johnson defends the regimes and legitimises their actions.


Iran had given her 5 years before he uttered anything.


Nothing he said warrants any imprisonment of Nazanin.


Why do you think she should be jailed because of what he said. ?


Iran should send her home.

[Toodles McGinty]

Its nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit ;


But no, the buffoon wades in and makes things worse.



No he didn't he is not in any way responsible for her incarceration or length of it, Iran alone is.


Blaming Boris Johnson defends the regimes and legitimises their actions.


Iran had given her 5 years before he uttered anything.


Nothing he said warrants any imprisonment of Nazanin.


Why do you think she should be jailed because of what he said. ?


Iran should send her home.

I'll ask again:

Where have I stated that Johnson is responsible for Ratcliffe's incarceration? Can you point out a post where I have written that?

When did I say "she should be jailed because of what he said"?

I said he made the situation worse. Her husbands words:

Asked about Mr Johnson's 2017 comments, he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Of course they had consequences.
"The main difference they had was, obviously, they enabled a propaganda campaign that was run against Nazanin."
He added: "It was used to justify a second court case.
"And has been used to discredit her ever since."

Also:
Nazanin's employer, the Thomson Reuters Foundation, said she was seeing family and urged Mr Johnson at the time to correct his "serious mistake"

Of course, you can argue Johnson's case by tweeting her husband at https://twitter.com/freenazanin?lang=en

I'm sure Mr Ratcliffe would be most interested in your defence of the buffoon. I look forward to reading that exchange myself.

[Polly Trott]

Jeremy has many Labour supporters on here so maybe they will point out where we have got this wrong;

he has recently said there is no credible evidence for Iran carrying out the attacks on the oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman yet there are pictures and videos of the mines and the un-exploded ones being removed.

It is surely credible enough evidence to warrant an accusation ?

What have I missed ?

Film of the mines being laid....

[Alikado]

Film of the mines being laid....

The film was of an alleged mine being REMOVED after the incident.

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Film of the mines being laid....

Yes that would be game set and match,

there is more evidence being made available though.

Why hasn't Iran come forward to explain their actions, they were very quick to defend the drone downing.

Still as I first put;


It is surely credible enough evidence to warrant an accusation ?

[Toodles McGinty]

If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. Iraq war, weapons of mass destruction. Etc etc.

Just wondering what changed Trump's mind when he ordered air strikes yesterday.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. Iraq war, weapons of mass destruction. Etc etc.

Just wondering what changed Trump's mind when he ordered air strikes yesterday.

Trouble is we don't learn. America's pet poodle will get dragged into this for sure.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Its nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit ;


But no, the buffoon wades in and makes things worse.



No he didn't he is not in any way responsible for her incarceration or length of it, Iran alone is.


Blaming Boris Johnson defends the regimes and legitimises their actions.


Iran had given her 5 years before he uttered anything.


Nothing he said warrants any imprisonment of Nazanin.


Why do you think she should be jailed because of what he said. ?


Iran should send her home.

Yet Johnsons team have kept him away from the media during the leadership election precisely because he speaks without thinking!