EU - The Ball is in Your Court

[silver fox]

If you and an ex decided to part company why wouldn't you be helpful ?

So that you can still co-operate on shared interests.

The EU is behaving like a childish possessive ex trying to maintain control over us with its colonising attempt.

We are only asking to free ourselves from their control were not demanding anything of them.

I don't understand why your so defensive of them it is very expensive
being an EU member.

Its time to switch our old "supplier" has been taking us for a ride for years.

If they co-operate we can still be good friends and neighbours.

Not defending the EU at all, highly critical of our pathetic attempts to organise this withdrawal, whichever way you stack it we decided to leave, we need to sort our own difficulties, of course we could, should and will have many mutually beneficial areas of agreement, there will also be areas of conflicts of interest, particularly when it comes to trade issues.

With the best will in the world the EU will not grant the same terms to us as a non-EU member, as to EU members.

[Toodles McGinty]

So now Boris is saying we could remain for another 2 years... this is leaving on Halloween with no Backstop?

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Not surprised in the least. The EU don't have to actually do anything at all. Johnson's threat to not talk unless they removed the backstop probably had them howling laughing. His 'pifflepafflewifflewaffle'* is hardly going to ruffle the feathers of the urbane master negotiator Barnier.

I did say a while back that should Johnson get in, it's entirely possible he'll revoke A50. Or have yet another referendum. As things stand, his legacy will be toxic. He could be the last PM of the United Kingdom. He will be the PM blamed for a massive recession. The PM that presided over the pound achieving parity with the Euro. Motor manufacturers are leaving or threatening to leave the country. Financial institutions can easily go to Frankfurt. Breaking the GFA is political suicide and our credit rating will be in the toilet.

He'll blame the ERG or the treacherous MPs who blocked a 'no-deal', or he'll delay Brexit until he's spent enough money to win a General Election. He's in a lose - lose position, as I don't see us holding any cards whatsoever.

Of course, if being 'plucky' counts, if we can muster that bulldog spirit to cook and eat our bulldogs after a no-deal exit, or he can stomach being Trump's lapdog, it's blue skies all the way.


*Crace

[local]

Not defending the EU at all, highly critical of our pathetic attempts to organise this withdrawal, whichever way you stack it we decided to leave, we need to sort our own difficulties, of course we could, should and will have many mutually beneficial areas of agreement, there will also be areas of conflicts of interest, particularly when it comes to trade issues.

With the best will in the world the EU will not grant the same terms to us as a non-EU member, as to EU members.

We do not want or need the same terms as members the same terms as other countries will be fine.

The EU being dogmatic over the so called "deal" is affecting businesses across Europe not just ours.

Clearly no country should accept colony status and trying to force us into this is their fault not ours.

[The PNP]

The EU being dogmatic over the so called "deal" is affecting businesses across Europe not just ours.

Clearly no country should accept colony status and trying to force us into this is their fault not ours.

Whose idea was it to leave in the first place, ours or the EU's?

Remainers predicted the mess we'd be in, but were constantly shouted down with cries of 'project fear'.....Personally, I can't see any happy ending as long as we pursue the same weary course. Whereas, a Peoples Vote that throws out Brexit would end the whole sorry saga at a stroke!


STOP BREXIT!

[silver fox]

We do not want or need the same terms as members the same terms as other countries will be fine.

The EU being dogmatic over the so called "deal" is affecting businesses across Europe not just ours.

Clearly no country should accept colony status and trying to force us into this is their fault not ours.

Leave with no deal we automatically get the same terms as others, that option has been available from day one, however we still have bills to pay for projects already agreed and of course no agreement on co-operative deals ref:security or criminal activity, plus of course trade and movement of goods across borders.

Leaving with no deal negates everything that has been agreed, very few see that as a good prospect.

[local]

Whose idea was it to leave in the first place, ours or the EU's?

Remainers predicted the mess we'd be in, but were constantly shouted down with cries of 'project fear'.....Personally, I can't see any happy ending as long as we pursue the same weary course. Whereas, a Peoples Vote that throws out Brexit would end the whole sorry saga at a stroke!


STOP BREXIT!

What difference does it make whose idea it was ?

The problems we are having are entirely the fault of the project fear anti-democracy extremists and the EU trying in their own words to turn the UK into a colony.

Predicting there will be problems then creating them isn't anything to gloat about.

The UK has suffered for too long at the hands of the extremists.

A peoples vote is a recipe for disaster and is the construct of the losers looking to frustrate democracy, they should be ashamed of the trouble and expense they have put the country to.

[silver fox]

What difference does it make whose idea it was ?

The problems we are having are entirely the fault of the project fear anti-democracy extremists and the EU trying in their own words to turn the UK into a colony.

Predicting there will be problems then creating them isn't anything to gloat about.

The UK has suffered for too long at the hands of the extremists.

A peoples vote is a recipe for disaster and is the construct of the losers looking to frustrate democracy, they should be ashamed of the trouble and expense they have put the country to.

The only extremists I see are those who wish to drag the UK into an unregulated financiers free for all.

I see your hero, he of high intelligence and superior intellect, has found that the cornerstone of his withdrawal ambitions ie: scrubbing the Irish border backstop has hit real problems, the EU won't accept it, the Irish won't accept it, now the US congress has said he can basically stick that plan were the sun don't shine.

Didn't realise that the US are also guarantors to the Good Friday agreement and will not agree to anything which could interfere with that agreement, thought your superior being would have known this before letting his mouth run away unchecked.

The US congress has also stated clearly that without the border question satisfactorily resolved, any chance of a trade deal with the US is a non-starter, that's before he has to convince our own Parliament.

[local]

The only extremists I see are those who wish to drag the UK into an unregulated financiers free for all.

I see your hero, he of high intelligence and superior intellect, has found that the cornerstone of his withdrawal ambitions ie: scrubbing the Irish border backstop has hit real problems, the EU won't accept it, the Irish won't accept it, now the US congress has said he can basically stick that plan were the sun don't shine.

Didn't realise that the US are also guarantors to the Good Friday agreement and will not agree to anything which could interfere with that agreement, thought your superior being would have known this before letting his mouth run away unchecked.

The US congress has also stated clearly that without the border question satisfactorily resolved, any chance of a trade deal with the US is a non-starter, that's before he has to convince our own Parliament.

The extremists are those wishing to obstruct democracy.

Scrubbing the back stop has to happen, it leaves us with colony status.

The EU and the puppet Ireland have through pig headedness backed themselves into a corner, they need to wake up as they are forcing a no deal, with the Irish economy firmly on the sacrificial EU altar.

The No No No pig-headedness of the EU is typical of them and explains their precarious economic state.

[silver fox]

The extremists are those wishing to obstruct democracy.

Scrubbing the back stop has to happen, it leaves us with colony status.

The EU and the puppet Ireland have through pig headedness backed themselves into a corner, they need to wake up as they are forcing a no deal, with the Irish economy firmly on the sacrificial EU altar.

The No No No pig-headedness of the EU is typical of them and explains their precarious economic state.

If anyone's backed themselves into a corner it's the UK, we called the referundum, we made the decision to leave the EU, no use whinging when the consequences and results are not to our taste.

To date the whole thing looks like a monumental waste of time, money, cause of more and more division and loss of credibility/good will.

We have a government which tells us there is no money for elderly TV license, social care, the NHS, education, essential services of all types, no money to fix our breaking down roads, yet when it comes to Brexit it appears the sky's the limit when it comes to funding, incidentally quitting the EU was supposed to save spending, make us wealthy, not jumping into a sea of debt.

[local]

The money is being wasted because of the intransigent EU.

How would you like to leave any institution that wanted to retain control over you.

We trade with them we supply to their standards that is not a problem but they are trying to retain control over who else we deal with, how can you possibly support that.

[Toodles McGinty]

If anyone's backed themselves into a corner it's the UK, we called the referundum, we made the decision to leave the EU, no use whinging when the consequences and results are not to our taste.

To date the whole thing looks like a monumental waste of time, money, cause of more and more division and loss of credibility/good will.

We have a government which tells us there is no money for elderly TV license, social care, the NHS, education, essential services of all types, no money to fix our breaking down roads, yet when it comes to Brexit it appears the sky's the limit when it comes to funding, incidentally quitting the EU was supposed to save spending, make us wealthy, not jumping into a sea of debt.

Yep. Now he's found over £100m to send us each a Brexit leaflet. Now I don't want to be a killjoy, but I'm willing to bet this leaflet isn't offering suggestions on how to party like it's 1999. Or maybe it is, considering that song was about Armageddon.

Chapters including 'How To Cook Seagulls'? 'Diabetics, Are They That Necessary Anyway'? 'How Many Times Can You Filter Your Own P!$$'? 'Family Games By Candle Light'? 'What To Do When Your House Has Burned Down After Family Games By Candle Light'? etc etc.

OK, I jest (I think...) but how bad are they expecting this to be if we need advice? And if they are expecting it to be bad enough for an advisory leaflet costing £100m, then A: spend the £100m on medicine or whatever they're going to warn us about, and B: WTF are you doing this for anyway if we need a 1980s style 'make a shelter out of tables and mattresses' leaflet?

Blair was right. It's like the sheriff in Blazing Saddles holding the gun to his own head and shouting 'Nobody move or the...' you know the rest.

Somebody remind me who told us this was going to be soooo easy?

[local]

Who is making it hard certainly not the leave voters.

How are they obstructing anything ?

The only problems with leaving are those manufactured by an unhealthy coalition of anti democracy extremists and the EU .

[silver fox]

Who is making it hard certainly not the leave voters.

How are they obstructing anything ?

The only problems with leaving are those manufactured by an unhealthy coalition of anti democracy extremists and the EU .

Leave campaigners and voters created the position we are now in, we "low IQ know nothing remainers" have been saying all along that the Brexit plan was nowhere near as simple and straightforward as the brexit garbage we have been fed.

Now when the difficulties are becoming plain and urgent, suddenly it's everyone else's fault, the reaction is a bit like the child finally realising that they can't have the toy they have been wanting all day.

[local]

Leave campaigners and voters created the position we are now in, we "low IQ know nothing remainers" have been saying all along that the Brexit plan was nowhere near as simple and straightforward as the brexit garbage we have been fed.

Now when the difficulties are becoming plain and urgent, suddenly it's everyone else's fault, the reaction is a bit like the child finally realising that they can't have the toy they have been wanting all day.

No the leavers didn't create the position we are in now the anti democracy mob in Parliament did that.

If they had spent three years working on our exit we would be in a much better position.

They are running the country into the ground and are fittingly called anti-democracy extremists, hell bent on destroying anything they can to frustrate the will of the people.

[Alikado]

The extremists are those wishing to obstruct democracy.

Scrubbing the back stop has to happen, it leaves us with colony status.

The EU and the puppet Ireland have through pig headedness backed themselves into a corner, they need to wake up as they are forcing a no deal, with the Irish economy firmly on the sacrificial EU altar.

The No No No pig-headedness of the EU is typical of them and explains their precarious economic state.

The only extremists trying to stop Brexit are the Tory Members of Parliament in the ERG Group who are continually thwarting the process, if they voted with their party it would go through.
The EU are not being intransigent, they have offered a deal, which was accepted, if you don't won't the backstop or Customs Union there will have to be a Border.